Complaints About the Republican Party IV

[JCAll]

Not dissing, show how crazy them flag supporters really are. To pick a car over Daisy...insanity.

Why can't we have both!?

[Iangould]

A majority of the ordinances of secession openly state the Slavery is the prime cause, It definitely does in South Carolina.

And the last-ditch attempts by the north to head off secession - the Corwin Amendment and the Crittenden Compromise were also all about safeguarding the "right" to own slaves.

[o1pickleboy]

And the last-ditch attempts by some people in the north to head off secession - the Corwin Amendment and the Crittenden Compromise were also all about safeguarding the "right" to own slaves.

fixed it for you.

[Iangould]

fixed it for you.

The Corwin Amendment passed the House with more than two thirds support.

It's still technically a "live" amendment awaiting ratification by the required number of states (but don't tell Ron Paul that).

[o1pickleboy]

The Corwin Amendment passed the House with more than two thirds support.

It's still technically a "live" amendment awaiting ratification by the required number of states (but don't tell Ron Paul that).

ok some elected people in the north working in Washington at the time. I bet ya that not a single free black in the north supported it.

[Monty_Cristo]

Everyone keeps making the heart=truth joke, but I don't think it's from Rick's heart that he's pulling this stuff.

theoretically, with Rick's heart being two sizes too small, it could have tumbled down into his posterior.

ok some elected people in the north working in Washington at the time. I bet ya that not a single free black in the north supported it.

my great great Uncle Ruckus did; out of pure spite.

[Iangould]

ok some elected people in the north working in Washington at the time. I bet ya that not a single free black in the north supported it.

Outright abolitionism was a minority view in the north until well after the war started and even when the Emancipation Proclamation was enacted it wasn't universally popular.

Many people in the north, including Lincoln, were opposed to slavery in principle but didn't want to fight a war over it.

[Charles RB]

They are conveniently forgetting that there was one particular state right at stake: slavery.

When I was younger, I used to hear that "it was about slavery" was a simplification and there were many factors - so I was a bit ticked to see the secession announcements were all slavery, all the time.

[mikekerrIII]

ok some elected people in the north working in Washington at the time. I bet ya that not a single free black in the north supported it.

in states like Ohio and Michigan supporting those laws likely would have gotten you lynched in many areas.

[Paradox]

That was before industrialization, before Michigan discovered that freed wage-slaves are actually cheaper in the long run than actual slaves.

[dupersuper]

Yes but too many of them fans are fans because of the "dragging" ability of the car, then they are fans because of Daisy Dukes.

Yeah: I was a kid when Dukes was on. As much as I intellectually support getting rid of the confederate flag, there's a little kid in me that insists it can't be that bad if Bo and Luke had it on their car. "Bo and Luke weren't racist." he whines.

[Spike-X]

That was before industrialization, before Michigan discovered that freed wage-slaves are actually cheaper in the long run than actual slaves.

Yeah, unlike with actual slaves, you don't have to give a shit whether poors have a roof over their head or food on the table. "Here's you're $5 an hour, serf. Don't complain; remember, you're lucky to even have a job!"

[worstblogever]

For anyone who hasn't seen it... Michigan Republicans are getting sued by the state's Democrats.

Rachel Maddow covered a pretty good reason why on her show last night:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

Summary: A 2/3 majority is needed to push a law into immediate effect in Michigan, and is supposed to be reserved for extreme cases. Of the 566 bills the GOP majority have pushed through, they have deemed 546 "emergency legislation" and claimed a 2/3 majority of state representatives to push it through into immediate effect, rather than wait until the start of the next session before it takes effect.

Why is that a problem? A 2/3 majority is 73 representatives. The GOP are about 12 representatives shy of the 2/3 majority. But when a vote comes to the floor, the House leader has been declaring that 2/3 majority, and putting the law into immediate effect. He's even been caught on video "counting" his 2/3 majority in 2 seconds, in spite of Democratic protests. And the 2/3 majority is mathematically impossible to achieve.

In other words, they're fixing the vote in the state assembly to put their policies into immediate effect without any chance for counter-argument, or contesting the bills, which are immediately made law. No negotiation, no compromise.

But also, no real democracy. Especially because the laws are starting to aim at voter registration, and aim at keeping themselves entrenched in the state legislature for some time as a party.

[mikekerrIII]

That was before industrialization, before Michigan discovered that freed wage-slaves are actually cheaper in the long run than actual slaves.

Michigan was never a slave state, Neither was Ohio. And in parts of Ohio they still celebrate John Browns birthday

[Spike-X]

For anyone who hasn't seen it... Michigan Republicans are getting sued by the state's Democrats.

Rachel Maddow covered a pretty good reason why on her show last night:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

Summary: A 2/3 majority is needed to push a law into immediate effect in Michigan, and is supposed to be reserved for extreme cases. Of the 566 bills the GOP majority have pushed through, they have deemed 546 "emergency legislation" and claimed a 2/3 majority of state representatives to push it through into immediate effect, rather than wait until the start of the next session before it takes effect.

Why is that a problem? A 2/3 majority is 73 representatives. The GOP are about 12 representatives shy of the 2/3 majority. But when a vote comes to the floor, the House leader has been declaring that 2/3 majority, and putting the law into immediate effect. He's even been caught on video "counting" his 2/3 majority in 2 seconds, in spite of Democratic protests. And the 2/3 majority is mathematically impossible to achieve.

In other words, they're fixing the vote in the state assembly to put their policies into immediate effect without any chance for counter-argument, or contesting the bills, which are immediately made law. No negotiation, no compromise.

But also, no real democracy. Especially because the laws are starting to aim at voter registration, and aim at keeping themselves entrenched in the state legislature for some time as a party.

I think the Republicans should change their mascot from the elephant to the honey badger.