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    Quote Originally Posted by bringthenoise View Post
    Yes. Unless you're also calling for the repeal of all taxes (why should THE GOVERNMENT [dun dun dun] get to take some of my wages instead of letting me decide who to give it to?).
    the govent has a right to a reasonable share, not what they had been asking for with estate taxes.
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    Yeesh. Hurt Americans to stop Obama from being elected, says Tea Party.

    Tea Party Nation Urges Businesses To Stop Hiring In Order To Hurt Obama

    Submitted by Brian Tashman on October 18, 2011 - 3:50pm
    Tea Party Nation sent to their members today a message from activist Melissa Brookstone urging businesspeople to “not hire a single person” to protest the Obama administration’s supposed “war against business and my country.” Brookstone writes that business owners should stop hiring new employees in order to stand up to “this new dictator,” the “global Progressive socialist movement,” Hollywood, the media and Occupy Wall Street.
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    Resolved that: The Obama administration and the Democrat-controlled Senate, in alliance with a global Progressive socialist movement, have participated in what appears to be a globalist socialist agenda of redistribution of wealth, and the waging of class warfare against our constitutional republic's heritage of individual rights, free market capitalism, and indeed our Constitution itself, with the ultimate goal of collapsing the U.S. economy and globalizing us into socialism.
    Resolved that: President Obama has seized what amount to dictatorial powers to bypass our Congress, and that because the Congress is controlled by a Progressive socialist Senate that will not impeach one of their kind, they have allowed this and yielded what are rightfully congressional powers to this new dictator.
    Resolved that: By their agenda and actions, those in our government who swore oaths to protect and defend our Constitution have committed treason against the United States.
    Resolved that: The current administration and Democrat majority in the Senate, in conjunction with Progressive socialists from all around the country, especially those from Hollywood and the left leaning news media (Indeed, most of the news media.) have worked in unison to advance an anti-business, an anti-free market, and an anti-capitalist (anti-individual rights and property ownership) agenda.

    Resolved that: Our President, the Democrats-Socialists, most of the media, and most of those from Hollywood, have now encouraged and supported "Occupy" demonstrations in our streets, which are now being perpetrated across the globe, and which are being populated by various marxists, socialists and even communists, and are protesting against business, private property ownership and capitalism, something I thought I'd never see in my country, in my lifetime.
    I, an American small business owner, part of the class that produces the vast majority of real, wealth producing jobs in this country, hereby resolve that I will not hire a single person until this war against business and my country is stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    the govent has a right to a reasonable share, not what they had been asking for with estate taxes.
    Considerning it's highly unlikely that we'll ever get an estate so large as to be taxable, why do you care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    I think that the family business is the more likely scenario, I would rather the business continue in family hands than worry about the guy who might get to keep to much of his parents money.

    if you could separate the two it would be nice but I don't see how.
    There are additional exemptions for family-owned businesses. Plus, a small business owner could see a tax lawyer to properly arrange the transfer of assets before their death if it's somewhat foreseeable. It doesn't help in the case of an accident, but would for an illness or old age.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    the govent has a right to a reasonable share, not what they had been asking for with estate taxes.
    Which was back around 2001.
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    I, an American small business owner, part of the class that produces the vast majority of real, wealth producing jobs in this country, hereby resolve that I will not hire a single person until this war against business and my country is stopped.
    Small businesses produce wealthy jobs? Huh.

    I thought the difference between small business and big business was...you know, the difference in wealth.

    I also thought that the way to win a war was to, you know, oppose the people you're at war with. Seems to me then, that if you're in a situation where your enemies are trying to keep people from getting jobs, the opposition wouldn't be to...keep...people from getting jobs?

    Am I insane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtMarvel View Post
    Considerning it's highly unlikely that we'll ever get an estate so large as to be taxable, why do you care?
    Beyond that, is 35% really so bad for money you get WITHOUT LIFTING A FINGER TO EARN? Fuck, I pay close to that on my wages (20% income tax plus 12% National Insurance) and you don't hear me fucking whining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Soapdish View Post
    There are additional exemptions for family-owned businesses. Plus, a small business owner could see a tax lawyer to properly arrange the transfer of assets before their death if it's somewhat foreseeable. It doesn't help in the case of an accident, but would for an illness or old age.



    Which was back around 2001.

    But if we scare the middle class about family farms and small businesses, which have been doing so darn well for the last few decades, we don't have to worry about estate taxes on the people that it will really effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtMarvel View Post
    Yeesh. Hurt Americans to stop Obama from being elected, says Tea Party.
    Hahah, I like this comment in the comments section:

    If everyone agreed not to pay taxes, that would send the message loud and clear.

    We need to send Ayn Rand's 3 novels to DC and force them to read them all. No other literature ever came this close to illustrating the problem and the solution.
    Yeah, send those Rand novels to DC; I'm sure there are a few tables that have uneven legs in the House. Seriously, that's all that sociopath's 'novels' are good for. And killing bugs.

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    Yeah, send those Rand novels to DC; I'm sure there are a few tables that have uneven legs in the House. Seriously, that's all that sociopath's 'novels' are good for. And killing bugs.
    You've made Ron Paul sad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bringthenoise View Post
    You've made Ron Paul sad!
    Just BEING Ron Paul should be enough to make Ron Paul sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtMarvel View Post
    Yeesh. Hurt Americans to stop Obama from being elected, says Tea Party.
    They're already doing this, every time the Republicans take power, they do their best to try to further erode Roosevelt's New Deal policies. The question I have always had is why do poor people vote for the Republicans at all? The GOP hasn't been the "Party of Lincoln" since Dick Nixon!

    If I could scream at the "Occupy Wall Street" crowd I would tell 'em that sitting on the fence is NOT going to do any good long-term--they HAVE to show up and vote not just in the Presidential elections but for The House and The Senate as well! Unless their message is clear and focused, "Mainstream America" will just think of them as a bunch of malecontents like the "flower children" of the 60s...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LtMarvel View Post
    Yeesh. Hurt Americans to stop Obama from being elected, says Tea Party.
    Deliberately not hiring people? How will anyone know when they've started?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEADER DESSLOK View Post
    They're already doing this, every time the Republicans take power, they do their best to try to further erode Roosevelt's New Deal policies. The question I have always had is why do poor people vote for the Republicans at all? The GOP hasn't been the "Party of Lincoln" since Dick Nixon!

    If I could scream at the "Occupy Wall Street" crowd I would tell 'em that sitting on the fence is NOT going to do any good long-term--they HAVE to show up and vote not just in the Presidential elections but for The House and The Senate as well! Unless their message is clear and focused, "Mainstream America" will just think of them as a bunch of malecontents like the "flower children" of the 60s...
    they should at least put real pressure on the repubs and the few dems, as well as, droopy dog leibermann, to pass the first of the many portions of the job act. the first one up to bat is the one for teachers and first responders http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/pol..._tea032902.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtMarvel View Post
    Yeesh. Hurt Americans to stop Obama from being elected, says Tea Party.
    Cutting off the nose to spite the face much?

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