New Liberators Team
- Created via EDL/Thor technology, Ultimate Skurge The Executioner, would fight Thor.
- The Beetle would fight Tony Stark (providing Tony survives Fialkov's first arc). (But otherwise we can just use Captain Mahr-Vehl instead).
- The Ultimate White Tiger would fight Monica Chang.
- Ultimate Javelynn would fight Hawkeye.
- And Frank Simpson, the Winter Soldier would fight Cap.
Last edited by Robbie_Jee; 04-29-2013 at 07:49 AM.
Ultimate Mockingbird would be great. I'd be interested to see what they'd do with her. Would they have her as a scientist full-time instead of becoming a member of the Ultimates? A SHIELD agent? Would she meet Clint? Will she have ever encountered the Phantom Rider in the Ultimates verse? Would she be a morally grey biologist working for SHIELD?
I'm disappointed that she doesn't seem to be one of the West Coast Ultimates (especially since they have the two other founding members who would be able to be there as members).
Bobbi Morse: has been on three Avengers teams, worked for SHIELD, evaded the Skrulls for years, received the super soldier serum and Infinity Formula. Still not even a limited series.
Winter solider doesn't work in the UU, because he is character who only worked within the 616 continuity and he doesn't have the same impact in the UU. Taking Nuke and giving him the name Winter Solider is not nearly as interesting as 616 Winter solider, there is no drama or tension with that. Bucky is an old man, Red Skull is the one with the personal connection with Cap, that doesn't leave Winter solider much to do rather then be a generic assassin character or do you as did, just make it a code name for a existing character.
Plus if Nuke never worked for the USSR, why would he be called the Winter solider? It makes more sense as a code name for a Soviet agent.
It sounds like your opinion is very much based upon your passion for 616 Bucky Barnes to the point where NOBODY could make an Ultimate version work at all. And you seem to forget that Frank Simpson is already an interesting, well-established character in comparison to most Marvel villains, and with a perfectly realistic incentive as to why he would want to launch a terrorist attack upon the United States. So no, he wouldn't be a generic assassin. This is Frank Simpson we're talking about.
I know I'm not coming up with a truly unique Ultimatization, but I believe the Ultimate Winter Soldier should be just as strong and just as good of a hand-to-hand combatant as Cap, or at least nearly as strong/skilled. And who better than Frank Simpson to fill that role?
But you don't seem to think that any version of Bucky will work in the UU so perhaps I shouldn't bother.
Nah, he'd be American. Like the 616 Winter Soldier. :PPlus if Nuke never worked for the USSR, why would he be called the Winter solider? It makes more sense as a code name for a Soviet agent.
Last edited by Robbie_Jee; 05-02-2013 at 03:34 PM.
Yah I thought the name "Winter Soldier" was because of nuclear winter not a Russian winter. Like how the Winter Protocols in Ultimates corresponded to all the nukes dropping on the city.
The term "Winter Soldier" comes from Vietnam. Bucky doesn't really represent a metaphor for it's origin so it's likely Brubaker had his own reasoning.
Also, Robbie, you're taking it way too personal. The guy's making a good point. The whole crux of the character is his connection to Captain America. Whatever character they could name Winter Soldier in the UU could certainly be interesting but wouldn't really play off of the actual Winter Soldier at all so there's really nothing beyond the name.
I'd rather it be some sort of program or protocol. Maybe an AI.
I'm not Captain America, but I wish I was.
I dont know how my post came across as though I was upset. It was Master Megalomaniac who was so disappointed. Do you think there's a way my post could have seemed more.. calm? You seem to think I'm getting emotional about this, but I'm wasn't, I swear. I'm really sorry if it seems I'm taking things to heart, but I'm not. I'm just having a discussion.
I do rant a lot though. I tend to type bigger posts than I need to. Perhaps that's where the confusion lies. Lol
But he already does have a connection with Cap. He was the villain in Ultimate Comics: Captain America. It's one of my favourite miniseries.The whole crux of the character is his connection to Captain America. Whatever character they could name Winter Soldier in the UU could certainly be interesting but wouldn't really play off of the actual Winter Soldier at all so there's really nothing beyond the name.
It would be a play on the phrase "Nuclear Winter".
Last edited by Robbie_Jee; 05-02-2013 at 04:54 PM.
You do realize that Frank Simpson has existed in the 616 universe since the 80s right, why is Ultimate Frank Simpson more realistic and better then 616 Frank Simpson? Wasn't he pretty well "realistic" when he was introduced in Born Again? They are pretty similar, except 616 Nuke never went rogue and worked for the North Koreans. Besides I think you are over hyping how realistic the UU really is, most Batman villains seem more realistic then most villains in the UU.
You have not created an Ultimate version of Winter Solider, you have just taken Nuke and given him the name Winter Solider, that is kinda lame. The best characters in the UU are ones that take the basic concept of the 616 character and put a new spin on it. For example: Mr. Sinister, Dazzler, Mojo, etc. You have not put an interesting spin on Ultimate Winter Solider, there is no point making an Ultimate Winter Solider if you give the character a truly interesting twist on him, just changing Nuke to Winter Solider is not an interesting twist, its kinda pointless really. Its not a very good Ultimatization. Ultimate Winter Solider doesn't have to be Bucky, as long as there is an interesting twist to Ultimate Winter solider, something better then giving that name to Nuke.
You sort of put me on the spot here though. I merely suggested an Ultimate Winter Soldier. Then you questioned it, and so I attempted to offer answers to your questions. You might not think Frank Simpson would make a good Winter Soldier, but I do. To each his own, right? But your aggressive stance is pretty clear here, and calling someone's ideas "lame" is an an American insult, not constructive criticism.
Besides, if you've already made your mind up that an Ultimate Winter Soldier simply cannot work in the UU, what's the point in trying to argue? It'll just be me continuing to answer your questions as you continue to call my ideas lame.
PS: No, not Soviet Winter. Nuclear Winter.
I do think some characters don't work in the UU, like Deadpool. Deadpool was a zany and over the top character and trying to make him more realistic created Ultimate Deadpool, who is a pretty bad character. Its hard for Winter Solider to have the same impact in the UU, as he does in the 616 universe, its not impossible to make a compelling Ultimate Winter Solider, but it is very difficult.