The Joker's Curios Thread

[Patroklos]

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Is that the story from Dini's run on 'Tec, with the magician and all that? Even if it wasn't a very inspired story I don't think it's even close to being a screw-up either.

"Ha-Hacienda". That is all.

[OverMaster]

Why did he take his shoes off?

He was robbin' him, of course.

[Vil_Dee]

Is that the story from Dini's run on 'Tec, with the magician and all that? Even if it wasn't a very inspired story I don't think it's even close to being a screw-up either.

The first part was ok, but then there was a lot of wankery in the second part.

Before we even get to the Joker, Zatanna heals herself from the bullet wound by writing a spell in blood. One problem with that. . .she does it while completely submerged in water! What? Then after the whole tantrum Bruce throws about not being able to trust her because of the mind wiping and not to mind wipe anymore, what happens at the end of the story, she mind wipes the whole crowd of Joker's intended victims so they don't remember what happened, and Bruce is all like, aww, I trust you again best buddy. What?

Now for the Joker, Zatanna defeats him by making a whole swarm of bats appear and. . .he's terrified of them! What?! When the hell did he develop this phobia? He should of been laughing and biting the heads of those things, not curling up into a ball!

Although I did like the Batman creeper part when him and Zatanna are looking for clues the Joker might of left and bats is like "I know, let's check his shower!"

He was robbin' him, of course.

But those boots are way too small. I wonder what he does with them. . .

[cosmicjoke]

The first part was ok, but then there was a lot of wankery in the second part.

Before we even get to the Joker, Zatanna heals herself from the bullet wound by writing a spell in blood. One problem with that. . .she does it while completely submerged in water! What? Then after the whole tantrum Bruce throws about not being able to trust her because of the mind wiping and not to mind wipe anymore, what happens at the end of the story, she mind wipes the whole crowd of Joker's intended victims so they don't remember what happened, and Bruce is all like, aww, I trust you again best buddy. What?

Now for the Joker, Zatanna defeats him by making a whole swarm of bats appear and. . .he's terrified of them! What?! When the hell did he develop this phobia? He should of been laughing and biting the heads of those things, not curling up into a ball!

Although I did like the Batman creeper part when him and Zatanna are looking for clues the Joker might of left and bats is like "I know, let's check his shower!"




But those boots are way too small. I wonder what he does with them. . .

Oh my God, I know! Like, what the hell man!? The Joker ain't scared of BATMAN, so why's he gonna be scared of actual bats? That was way OOC. I guess they wanted to come up with some clever way for Zatanna to get him back, but that was just stupid. I mean, one of the Joker's defining characteristics is his fearlessness. It's precisley what makes him so scary. It would have been better if it had just been the usual 'Batman's punches him out' ending.

A weird one for Paul Dini. Sometimes he writes the Joker really, really well, and then other times, not so much.

[Vil_Dee]

More unhealthy robin fixations. . .



Maybe Bruce should leave Damien at Uncle Joker's house for a few weeks, that should fix his attitude.




See? Look how well Dicky turned out.




This is what Batman looks like to him? . . .Interesting.

That Robin is Jason Todd by the way.




Kind of reminds me of that scene in Spiderman.

[Vil_Dee]

There was a question about ranking smartest characters on the dcu thread being that we know Mr. Terrific is number 3. I suggested that Joker would be at the top of the list, and some people were writing him off like his smarts begin and end at criminal scheming. I'm not gonna bother arguing about whether Joker is smarter then Lex, but Batman? I think he's smarter than Batman.

Exhibit A

Joker is a better engineer than Batman. Batman's toys are built for him. Joker makes his own gadgets, jokermobiles, and death traps. He even assembled nuclear rockets.



I mean, where did this death trap come from, Ikea?


Exhibit B

Joker is a better chemist.

How many versions of Joker venom are there?

The classic Kill you with a grin on your face type.
The Kill you with a grin on your face when you combine two separate components together type (black and red rose petals).
The doesn't kill you, but puts a grin on your face type (for human and fish).
The doesn't kill you, but puts a grin on your face, and paralyzes you type (the stuff Damian got).
The doesn't kill you, but makes you go crazy type.



See? He even impressed a lunch table full of evil alien nerd genius' with his
knowledge.

Exhibit C

He schooled Lex on those black orby things.




Exhibit D

He tricked Mxypickle into giving him all his powers. I mean why did no one else ever figure to do that?



So, you see, Batman better keep bench pressing 600lbs, cause he's never going to be as smart as Joker.

[cosmicjoke]

Don't forget the Joker whooped Ra's' ass at chess and created a plague for him to destroy the planet's population. If the Joker at all cared about power and ruling things, we'd all have a serious problem on our hands. It's just lucky all he cares about is making Batman mad, lol. In terms of strategizing, he's severely underrated. He can plan with the best of em', and is probably better at reading people and knowing what they're going to do, how they're going to react, etc... then anyone. He understands human nature better then just about anyone, despite not really being able to relate to it. He's what I'd call an emotional genius.

Anyone who says the Joker isn't intelligent doesn't know the character at all. He's got a genius level intellect, which he demonstrates in his understanding of both chemical and bio-genetic engineering, and I'd say, far and away, is Batman's most intelligent villain. Not to mention the theory of his super-sanity, a kind of super-sensory perception which suggests he sees the essence of everything, sees it for what it really is without a filter or the skewing of social conditioning.

What's the comic where he put Lois Lane in to a coma with a toxin which made it appear as if she was going to die, all in an attempt to make Superman kill him because he told him that was the only way he'd get the cure, when in reality the poison was going to wear off eventually and she'd be 100% healthy? No one even realized it until after Lois woke up and was okay. There's also a comic where he creates a mind control toxin, though I can't remember which issue that is at the moment either.

And don't forget the Joker's a philosopher. He understands nihilism probably better then anyone, and not only preaches it, but practices it with full commitment.

[Vil_Dee]

Don't forget the Joker whooped Ra's' ass at chess and created a plague for him to destroy the planet's population. If the Joker at all cared about power and ruling things, we'd all have a serious problem on our hands. It's just lucky all he cares about is making Batman mad, lol. In terms of strategizing, he's severely underrated. He can plan with the best of em', and is probably better at reading people and knowing what they're going to do, how they're going to react, etc... then anyone. He understands human nature better then just about anyone, despite not really being able to relate to it. He's what I'd call an emotional genius.

Every time you pit off someone against Batman even if it's someone like Superman or Darkseid, they always say he can defeat them if he has preparation time. Well, duh, the same thing can be said for the Joker.
And I don't think you can really say Lex is smarter than Joker or Joker is smarter than Lex because it's apples and oranges. Lex is the logical analytical left brained type genius, and Joker is the mad creative right brained type.

What's the comic where he put Lois Lane in to a coma with a toxin which made it appear as if she was going to die, all in an attempt to make Superman kill him because he told him that was the only way he'd get the cure, when in reality the poison was going to wear off eventually and she'd be 100% healthy? No one even realized it until after Lois woke up and was okay. There's also a comic where he creates a mind control toxin, though I can't remember which issue that is at the moment either.

The Lois one was Action Comics #719 "Hazard's Choice."

The mind control toxin thing, well I think he used it in Last Laugh. There was also an issue where he's in metropolis and making people crazy by putting bald caps on their heads.

[cosmicjoke]

Every time you pit off someone against Batman even if it's someone like Superman or Darkseid, they always say he can defeat them if he has preparation time. Well, duh, the same thing can be said for the Joker.
And I don't think you can really say Lex is smarter than Joker or Joker is smarter than Lex because it's apples and oranges. Lex is the logical analytical left brained type genius, and Joker is the mad creative right brained type.

Totally. The Joker will outmaneuver you easy. Like what he did to Dr. Hurt and the Black Glove, for example.

And I'd call Lex and the Joker about even in the brains department. They both have very different kinds of intelligence, but they're equally brilliant in those different areas.

The Lois one was Action Comics #719 "Hazard's Choice."

The mind control toxin thing, well I think he used it in Last Laugh. There was also an issue where he's in metropolis and making people crazy by putting bald caps on their heads.

Right, that's the one. He did use mind control in "The Last Laugh", not to mention figured out a way to bust out of the Slab, which is supposed to be the most maximum security prison around.

There's another comic where he creates a mind controlling toxin, but I'll have to go find it. I have it somewhere in my collection.

[Vil_Dee]

In honor of the recent Batman/Catwoman cinemax goings on, here are a few special Joker/Catwoman "romantic" moments.





She kept the cigar, btw.




That actually is the Joker despite what that last dialogue bubble says.
And Selina can't tell the difference between the real Batman and the Joker in a Batman suit?



This says it all, don't it?

[OverMaster]

There's another comic where he creates a mind controlling toxin, but I'll have to go find it. I have it somewhere in my collection.

"Major Arcana", from Batman 544-546. Story by Doug Moench, art by Kelley Jones. Also notable because, in his first ever attempt in sorcery, he manages to summon freakin' Etrigan the Demon (although he was aiming for the Devil himself, but still, very impressive for a first try). Maybe he even could have a natural gift for actual magic if he put his mind into it.

[cosmicjoke]

"Major Arcana", from Batman 544-546. Story by Doug Moench, art by Kelley Jones. Also notable because, in his first ever attempt in sorcery, he manages to summon freakin' Etrigan the Demon (although he was aiming for the Devil himself, but still, very impressive for a first try). Maybe he even could have a natural gift for actual magic if he put his mind into it.

Yeah! That's the one.

I love that Catwoman arc by the way. The Joker was completely out of his mind in it.

[Vil_Dee]

"Major Arcana", from Batman 544-546. Story by Doug Moench, art by Kelley Jones. Also notable because, in his first ever attempt in sorcery, he manages to summon freakin' Etrigan the Demon (although he was aiming for the Devil himself, but still, very impressive for a first try). Maybe he even could have a natural gift for actual magic if he put his mind into it.

oh yeah, I remember that story. It wouldn't be hard to imagine that he made him some horcruxes the way he seems to survive everything.

And speaking of demony stuff, Joker sold his soul to Neron. Which leads me to two questions.

1). Wasn't Joker's soul already gift wrapped for hell anyway, so why would Neron have to give him anything for it?

2). If Joker's soul wasn't hellbound to begin with, perhaps say he gets dispensation for being nuts. Then does that mean any agreement he makes with a demon is invalid due to not being able to give adequate consent?

[RubberLotus]

"Major Arcana", from Batman 544-546. Story by Doug Moench, art by Kelley Jones. Also notable because, in his first ever attempt in sorcery, he manages to summon freakin' Etrigan the Demon (although he was aiming for the Devil himself, but still, very impressive for a first try). Maybe he even could have a natural gift for actual magic if he put his mind into it.

I think that Arkham Asylum itself might've played a bigger role. Didn't Living Hell outright state that Etrigan had a connection to the place?

[OverMaster]

I think that Arkham Asylum itself might've played a bigger role. Didn't Living Hell outright state that Etrigan had a connection to the place?

The summoning took place in a comedy club Joker had escaped to, not at Arkham.

Wasn't Joker's soul already gift wrapped for hell anyway, so why would Neron have to give him anything for it?

IIRC, didn't the Underworld Unleashed mini establish Neron lost hold over all the souls he had gained through the crossover, except those of Flash's Rogues (who later escaped Hell anyway)?

Then does that mean any agreement he makes with a demon is invalid due to not being able to give adequate consent?

Well, apparently one of the reasons the Spectre can't punish him is, because of his insanity, his soul can't be held responsible over his actions. Maybe Hell can't take him also because of that?