Between Barack and a Hard Place: Ultimate US Elections 2012 Thread

**ShadowWarrior** · 11-08-2012, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Iangould

What university did Lincoln attend?

what businesses did Washington create?

Washington is a natural born proven leader who helped create the foundations of the U.S. You are actually comparing his qualifications to Obama? Lincoln has experience in being leader by serving as a captain of an Illinois Militia during the Black Hawk War. he also had a career in being a very successful lawyer

**ShadowWarrior** · 11-08-2012, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by Iangould

Citation required.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ce_654547.html

**tony ingram** · 11-08-2012, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior

Washington is a natural born proven leader who helped create the foundations of the U.S. You are actually comparing his qualifications to Obama? Lincoln has experience in being leader by serving as a captain of an Illinois Militia during the Black Hawk War. he also had a career in being a very successful lawyer

Neither of which qualified him to run a country. The qualities needed in a military leader, in particular, are very different from those needed by an administrator.

**Castel** · 11-08-2012, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by tony ingram

Oh, come on! France may have nice weather, great food and wine, a good standard of living, free healthcare and a lot of other benefits-but does it outweigh living with the French?

Just to clarify a bit, there is no "free" healthcare. How could it be ? Money has to come from somewhere.

That's what we call the principle of solidarity. Workers pay for those who can't, the unemployed, the sick or the old people for example. It's a social contribution who is directly deduced from your pay each month. (around 30 euros, depends of the familial situation but it's fairly equal)

And of course once you finally reach yourself the age of retirement (62, you can work more if you want so but no less, expect if you started working at the age of 16) then it's up to the young people to pay for you.

Solidarity. Those who can pay for those we can't. Maybe some of you may find this system a bit unfair but you have to keep something important in mind. You will be sick. You will lose a job or two and you will one day retire. (if you're still alive)

So at some point or another you WILL benefit from it.

**Paradox** · 11-08-2012, 05:37 AM

ShadowWarrior gives a pet peeve:

Reagan at least had executive experience. which Obama had none. I should have mentioned that earlier. Obama has no executive experience at all prior to becoming president.

And Governors usually have no experience in national government. Really, the whole "executive experience" argument is irrelevant. There are strengths and weaknesses to both.

**ShadowWarrior** · 11-08-2012, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1

Or how about the success stories as Ian just pointed out. Or in Canada where the healthcare system is bragged up. Or do we keep ignoring that ?

Go tell that to the Canadian women with breast cancer who can't get treatment in Canada.

**SUPERECWFAN1** · 11-08-2012, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by castel

just to clarify a bit, there is no "free" healthcare. How could it be ? Money has to come from somewhere.

That's what we call the principle of solidarity. Workers pay for those who can't, the unemployed, the sick or the old people for example. It's a social contribution who is directly deduced from your pay each month. (around 30 euros, depends of the familial situation but it's fairly equal)

and of course once you finally reach yourself the age of retirement (62, you can work more if you want so but no less, expect if you started working at the age of 16) then it's up to the young people to pay for you.

Solidarity. Those who can pay for those we can't. Maybe some of you may find this system a bit unfair but you have to keep something important in mind. You will be sick. You will lose a job or two and you will one day retire. (if you're still alive)

so at some point or another you will benefit from it.

fuck them...fuck them all....its about me...me...me....

**SUPERECWFAN1** · 11-08-2012, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior

Go tell that to the Canadian women with breast cancer who can't get treatment in Canada.

Source please....and scroll back...you never said anything about the unemployment numbers posted.

**Paradox** · 11-08-2012, 05:41 AM

Yes, because single incidents are representative. Really, why are you wasting your time? I'm done doing so.

**ShadowWarrior** · 11-08-2012, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by Paradox

And Governors usually have no experience in national government. Really, the whole "executive experience" argument is irrelevant. There are strengths and weaknesses to both.

No the only diferrences is the size in scope and scale. What makes Obama qualified to be president? What significant successful laws did he pass as a politician that made a positive impact prior to being president? Why are you so enamored by him?

**Agent Helix** · 11-08-2012, 05:43 AM

Personally, I find his impotent rage very amusing.

**ShadowWarrior** · 11-08-2012, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by tony ingram

Neither of which qualified him to run a country. The qualities needed in a military leader, in particular, are very different from those needed by an administrator.

What qualifies Obama to run a country?