Between Barack and a Hard Place: Ultimate US Elections 2012 Thread

[Loren]

I think that the more pertinent difference was that it was for their side. Not everything that the Republicans do is a dog whistle. They were bitching about Clinton plenty during the Dubya years, mocking his concern over bin Laden and the bombing raids in Iraq to go after WMDs - only to reverse course once their guy was in office.

It's something that the Democrats do as well.

I'm not sure if any federal issue demonstrates that flipping better than debates over the debt ceiling. Because as much as any issue can be exactly the same, without contributing factors that can be blamed, the debt ceiling debate is virtually the same every single time. The arguments are the same, the contributing factors are the same, the consequences are the same.

But during Dubya's terms, the Democrats regularly blew gaskets over the raising of the debt limit, while the Republicans were OK with it. Then when Obama was in office and needed to do the exact same thing, it was Republicans that were threatening to stop the raise while Democrats made nary a peep.

[Darrell D.]

I'm not sure if any federal issue demonstrates that flipping better than debates over the debt ceiling. Because as much as any issue can be exactly the same, without contributing factors that can be blamed, the debt ceiling debate is virtually the same every single time. The arguments are the same, the contributing factors are the same, the consequences are the same.

But during Dubya's terms, the Democrats regularly blew gaskets over the raising of the debt limit, while the Republicans were OK with it. Then when Obama was in office and needed to do the exact same thing, it was Republicans that were threatening to stop the raise while Democrats made nary a peep.

yeah, true.
I was probably too snarky in my comment, but it really does come down to a 'my side, your side' kind of thing on a lot of these issues.

[Nick Soapdish]

I'm not sure if any federal issue demonstrates that flipping better than debates over the debt ceiling. Because as much as any issue can be exactly the same, without contributing factors that can be blamed, the debt ceiling debate is virtually the same every single time. The arguments are the same, the contributing factors are the same, the consequences are the same.

But during Dubya's terms, the Democrats regularly blew gaskets over the raising of the debt limit, while the Republicans were OK with it. Then when Obama was in office and needed to do the exact same thing, it was Republicans that were threatening to stop the raise while Democrats made nary a peep.

That's a great example. I'd like to think that it was just the reason for raising the debt ceiling that accounted for the difference since it was a belated opportunity to complain about Iraq, but I think that most of it was just taking advantage of the opportunity to make the other party sweat.

I think that the negotiations over the last raise were a bit more extreme.

[Shellhead]

I'm not sure if any federal issue demonstrates that flipping better than debates over the debt ceiling. Because as much as any issue can be exactly the same, without contributing factors that can be blamed, the debt ceiling debate is virtually the same every single time. The arguments are the same, the contributing factors are the same, the consequences are the same.

But during Dubya's terms, the Democrats regularly blew gaskets over the raising of the debt limit, while the Republicans were OK with it. Then when Obama was in office and needed to do the exact same thing, it was Republicans that were threatening to stop the raise while Democrats made nary a peep.

It's like my uncle's two male dogs. Sometimes King would mount and hump Zach, and Zach would get really annoyed, like "hey, hey, none of that gay stuff." Then a little while later, Zach would mount King, and King would be the one getting annoyed. It's all a matter of who is on top, not what is objectively right or wrong.

[Spike-X]

Barack Obama is a hardcore Communist, and Fox Nation is on it!

[Royal]

Barack Obama is a hardcore Communist, and Fox Nation is on it!

Already disproven. Next slander.

[the4thpip]

They probably wrote the wikipedia article themselves that they use as the only source for their journalism masterpiece.

[PLG1962]

OK I want unbiased opinion [s] do you people think Obama will get to serve another term?

[Spike-X]

Yes.





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[o1pickleboy]

Yes.





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Barring any incompetent secret service agents and armed white supremacist with a clear shot.

[Darrell D.]

OK I want unbiased opinion [s] do you people think Obama will get to serve another term?

Yes.
Romney hasn't a fifth of the charisma, and has an astounding lack of empathy for the plight of the American people in this economic crisis.
Of course, lots of things can happen between now and November, but right now, he's Dole 2.0, a sacrifice by the GOP.

[Iangould]

Bookies give him about a 60% chance.

[worstblogever]

In a roundabout way, Mitt Romney admitted yesterday that Jimmy Carter was a better president than Mitt could ever hope to be.

Romney on the bin Laden Raid: "Even Jimmy Carter would have made that decision." Y'know, the same decisions Mitt was criticizing Obama on in 2007 and 2008, and claimed he thought were too far.

Of course, now that in hindsight, that it WAS the right call, Romney is trying to re-write his political stance, to claim he always would have done the same thing as Obama did, just like any other president would have. I'd call him a disengenuous snake, but that would be a slight to snakes everywhere.

[Vibranium]

Yes.
Romney hasn't a fifth of the charisma, and has an astounding lack of empathy for the plight of the American people in this economic crisis.Of course, lots of things can happen between now and November, but right now, he's Dole 2.0, a sacrifice by the GOP.

it's either lack of empathy or a genuine ignorance that not everyone has an investment portfolio and multiple residences

honestly there are a lot of people like Romney who shelter themselves and don't know or choose to not know that there are people out there, working a 50-60 hr a week job and barely making enough to stay fed

[Paradox]

Barring something drastic, Obama's lock for reelection.