So if anything I find that scene the most believable because if I picture myself in his position, I wouldn't have a frown on my face either.
So why did he attack Ironman with a bolt of lightning?
Wowzer! Three pages at the start. Hot damn!
The point of the matter, at the moment, isn't just that Loeb's Ultimates stories weren't good. It's that he didn't respect the tradition of what came before. His change to Thor didn't follow what Millar had set up for the past five years. It would be like Dan Slott suddenly making Peter Parker a cold blooded killer. Sure, it could work as a story, but not in 616, where it would go against everything that the continuity before it established. If you want a bloodthirsty, angry god version of Thor, there are plenty of books out there for it. But Ultimate Thor was not that character. Instead, Loeb shoehorned the Thor he wanted to write into a universe where it didn't fit.
Millar, for five years, established that the Ultimates were about a serious, realistic take on classic concepts that depicted the characters in new ways. And because that's what he established, that's what Ultimates should be. Saying that Loeb's mindless action comics are what Ultimates should be is like saying there should be a Godfather part 4 that's a comedy. Comedies, like action stories, can be awesome, but that's not what the Godfather was.
And then, obviously, on top of the abandonment of previous themes and concepts, Loeb's stories weren't good.
Going further into the character of Thor...
Millar's Thor was a pacifist, plain and simple. He knew he could kick anyone's ass at any time, but he didn't care. He was only going to step in if he really needed to (or, rather, if the world really needed him to). He was a powerful god who preferred peace. A "pacifist with a big scary hammer."
Loeb, instead, made him all about anger and fighting. There was never a feeling of him thinking about anything else, except the sudden (and still mostly unexplained) love affair with Valkyrie. He said things like "I will have at Magneto," which make no sense with the characterization that came before. And, of course, there's the completely unnecessary (and also mostly unexplained) costume and weapon change.
I always read the Ultimates was the blockbuster book. Ultimates 2 Volume 2 was my first exposure and it was awesome and non stop fighting. I then excitingly went and read the rest to find boring over-drawn out stories. For me Ultimates is better as an artist's book, Ultimates 2 Volume 2, Ultimates 3, and New Ultimates were absolutely beautifully drawn and they all had huge action scenes. For me Ultimates 3 was continuing what Ultimates 2 volume 2 brought in.
Ultimates 3: Venom attacks, Hawkeye attacks Spider-Man, Wanda and Pietro take a walk and she dies, Brotherhood attacks, they go to Savage Land, Ultron kidnaps Jan and gets rescued by Hank, more fighting and some rape implications, Ultron robots attack, Hawkeye apparently kills Quicksilver.
Compare one to the other and Ultimates 3 just reads like a bunch of random shit happening for no reason
Last edited by striderhirryu2; 08-25-2011 at 02:04 PM.
So...whose neck do I break first?