CBR's Wrestling Fantasy League for RAW 08/22/11

[Brandon Hanvey]

How about using promos, In-ring being more; backstage being less. Add doing run-in's and interference later on once it is worked out.

The way I was going to score is if the person appears on camera in a featured role, i.e. not just standing in the background or similar, they get 3 points. So in the case of the last RAW both CM Punk and Nash got 3 points since they were promo segments and not in matches.

Edit: After thinking things over a little more, that would be a little unfair to people who do promo segments which are a big part of current TV and getting things over. They would get the same amount of points as a valet, commentator, etc. Maybe we should add a category for appearance with promo/talking segment? Maybe +5?

[Brandon Hanvey]

I did another sample scoring. This one for a PPV since I wanted to see how much losing and gaining titles and the extra points worked out.

Losing a title can actually get you negative points.

Actually losing a championship on a regular TV show can be just as costly since you do not get as many appear or match points as a PPV. Doing the scoring for when Ezekiel Jackson lost the title to Cody Rhodes on Smackdown, he got -5 points (3+5-2-1-10).

Summer Slam 2011
KEY A=5, P=3, I=4, M=8, W=12 L=-6, WPS=+1 LPS=-1, WC=+20, RC=+8, LC=-10

Michael Cole 5 (A)
Jerry Lawler 5 (A)
Booker T 5 (A)
Rey Mysterio 26 (A, M, W, WPS)
John Morrison 25 (A, M, W)
Kofi Kingston 25 (A, M, W)
The Miz 7 (A, M, L)
R-Truth 6 (A, M, L, LPS)
Alberto Del Rio 48 (A, M, L) (M, W, WPS, WC)
John Laurinaitis 7 (A, P)
Stephanie McMahon 7 (A, P)
Sheamus 7 (A, M, L)
Mark Henry 25 (A, M, W)
Nikki Bella 5 (A)
Brie Bella 5 (A)
Rosa Mendez 5 (A)
Alicia Fox 5 (A)
Kelly Kelly 34 (A, M, W, WPS, RC)
Eve Torres 5 (A)
Beth Phoenix 6 (A, M, L, LPS)
Natalya 5 (A)
Jimmy Hart 7 (A, P)
Daniel Bryan 6 (A, M, L, LPS)
Wade Barrett 26 (A, M, W, WPS)
Christian 2 (A, M, L, P, LPS, LC)
Edge 8 (A P)
Randy Orton 46 (A, M, W, WPS, WC)
Triple H 7 (A, P)
CM Punk 28 (A, M, P, W, WPS, RC) (M, L , LPS, LC)
John Cena -2 (A, M, L, LPS, LC)

[Punkolution]

Cm punk
Cena
ADR
Rtruth
Miz
HHH

[Brandon Hanvey]

Added two more point categories.

Television featured promo only (+2)
All Shows: Win a battle royal type match (+5)

[shamone]

No love for the five pools idea ?

[Brandon Hanvey]

No love for the five pools idea ?

I think that would be a little too restricting. If people pick correctly, they can pick lower card guys and still get points.

Say if someone picked Cody Rhodes or Justin Gabriel, they would have gotten a decent amount of points recently since they both had two matches on the recent Smackdown.

Plus part of the game is trying to figure out if the WWE is going to push new guys or depush current talent.

[darthjoker]

LOL, just out of curiosity:

what would have happened if I had chosen:

Little Jimmy!

would every single person in the stadium count? do I get bazillion points? or do I only get points each time R-Truth refers to a specific Little Jimmy? LOL

[shamone]

Not a fan of open picks. All becomes homogenous with the pool of picks being about 7 or 8 wrestlers, but so be it.

[Brandon Hanvey]

I had a thought. I could also count Superstars. That way lower card guys would get some more points.

Here is how the recent Superstars would have scored.

KEY A=3, P=2, M=5, W=7 L=-2, WPS=+1 LPS=-1, WC=+20, RC=+8, LC=-10

Jack Korpela 3 (A)
Matt Striker 3 (A)
Scott Stanford 3 (A)
Josh Matthews 3 (A)
Trent Barreta 5 (A, M, L, LPS)
Wade Barrett 16 (A, M, W, WPS)
Jose Vargas 5 (A, M, L, LPS)
Brodus Clay 16 (A, M, W, WPS)
Santino Marella 16 (A, M, W, WPS)
Primo 5 (A, M, L, LPS)
Zack Ryder 16 (A, M, W, WPS)
Drew McIntyre 5 (A, M, L, LPS)

[MagSeven]

I had a thought. I could also count Superstars. That way lower card guys would get some more points.

I guess it has to rely on how high participation is. Ideally, you could count Raw, SD, PPVs and Superstars. But as you know, it seems Raw gets the most attention around here. No point in you hunting down a bunch of stats for just 5 people's picks. Give the trial run the first shot. Then expand. Thanks for doing this btw. Good idea!

[Brandon Hanvey]

I went ahead and counted this month's Raws, Superstars, Smackdowns, and Summer Slam points to see how the points total.

As you might expect, some of the "top" names get the most points. But some are low. If someone choose Christian and John Cena, they would have been on the lower end of the points totals. Plus it seems people who do a lot of cross brand appearances fair well. The PPVs can be the real game chager since they are extra points and tend to be when titles change or retained.

Go back to the end of July, would you have chosen Beth Phoenix, John Morrison, Wade Barret, the tag champs, or Cody Rhodes? So while choosing the big names can be a good bet in some cases, it also helps if you can predict which wrestlers the WWE will push/de-push the next month.

Alberto Del Rio 125
Mark Henry 77
Cody Rhodes 71
Randy Orton 67
Beth Phoenix 61
R-Truth 58
CM Punk 57
John Morrison 57
Wade Barrett 55
David Otunga 53
Michael McGillicutty 51
Alicia Fox 48
Brodus Clay 48
Kofi Kingston 45
Sheamus 44
The Miz 43
AJ Lee 42
Natalya 40
Rey Mysterio 40
Jack Swagger 37
Zack Ryder 37
Kelly Kelly 36
Daniel Bryan 32
Eve Torres 32
Evan Bourne 27
Santino Marella 27
Ted DiBiase 27
Triple H 27
John Cena 24
Sin Cara 22
Josh Matthews 21
Trent Barreta 21
Vladimir Koslov 21
Alex Riley 20
Michael Cole 20
Ezekiel Jackson 19
Justin Gabriel 19
JTG 18
Matt Striker 18
Tyson Kidd 18
John Laurinaitis 17
Nikki Bella 17
Brie Bella 16
The Great Khali 16
Aksana 15
Teddy Long 15
Christian 14
Jerry Lawler 14
Ricardo Rodriguez 14
Jey Uso 12
Jimmy Uso 12
Stephanie McMahon 12
Dolph Ziggler 11
Johnny Curtis 11
Kaitlyn 11
Kevin Nash 10
Primo 10
Booker T 9
Jack Korpela 9
Jim Ross 9
Melina 9
Scott Stanford 9
Tamina 8
Jimmy Hart 7
Gail Kim 6
Heath Slater 6
Jinder Mahal 6
Rosa Mendes 6
William Regal 6
Yoshi Tatsu 6
Chris Masters 5
Drew McIntyre 5
Pat Silva 5
Vickie Guerrero 5

[Brandon Hanvey]

Cm punk
Cena
ADR
Rtruth
Miz
HHH

Punkolution, you picked 6 picks instead of 5.

Unless you edit it by the end of the day PST, I'll take the first 5 listed so your picks will be:

Cm punk
Cena
ADR
Rtruth
Miz

[Brandon Hanvey]

I did a little experiment with my points counting spreadsheet and tested how not counting Superstars would change the standings.

The top 8 was the same, but after that it changed due to the wrestlers who frequently appear on the show dropped down the list.

I think counting Superstars will help get people to vary their picks since the mid to lower card guys frequently appear on the show.

Plus it seems the WWE uses the show to spotlight people who they want to push in the future on the bigger shows.

[GozertheGozarian]

Doing picks for the entire month would allow Smackdown to be counted as well as RAW.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Picks are not locked in place.

Good luck to all who entered.

We have 13 contestants.

Here is how the picks spread:

CM Punk 11
Alberto Del Rio 10
Dolph Ziggler 7
R-Truth 5
Miz 5
Kelly Kelly 5
John Cena 5
Jack Swagger
Evan Bourne 3
Kofi Kingston 2
Beth Phoenix 2
John Morrison 2
HHH
Stephanie
Eve
David Otunga
Kevin Nash
Randy Orton
Cody Rhodes