Thread Drift: Some art is objectively bad. See One More Day.

[charlesthehammer]

So its universally bad and clearly anyone saying that they liked it are obviously lie'n to us?

Yes, it is universally bad. No you can like bad stories or hate good stories. An example, the Other is a bad story, but I liked it. I admit its a bad story though.

[ShaggyB]

The second biggest mistake some fans make:

They deal in absolutes. This story is "universally good" or this story is "universally bad". These are things that change given the individual and are in no way universal.

Sins Past is not universally hated. Nor is OMD / OMIT.

Likewise not every story will be loved by everyone.

When claiming something is bad you must be willing to understand that you are not the judge of good or bad for anyone other than yourself. When doing this, it means you cant say the publisher/writer wrote a bad story on purpose... because the fact is it might not be bad for other people.

[oldschool]

Yes, it is universally bad. No you can like bad stories or hate good stories. An example, the Other is a bad story, but I liked it. I admit its a bad story though.

Wow....congratulations! I had no idea you were appointed Supreme Commander for all Pop Culture Quality!

[ShaggyB]

Yes, it is universally bad. No you can like bad stories or hate good stories. An example, the Other is a bad story, but I liked it. I admit its a bad story though.

who voted on it being a bad story universally. When did we get that memo?

[Mark_S]

It was editorially mandated and that does explain the story itself. But-like those of us who spent time on figuring out the warp drive for the original Star Trek show actually could work-delving further into the story than what is on the printed page is one of the great joys of reading. It's just frustrating that something so important was in my opinion so badly done and-difference or no-I see nothing wrong with saying so as many times as I like.

Mark_S

[charlesthehammer]

Wow....congratulations! I had no idea you were appointed Supreme Commander for all Pop Culture Quality!

No, you judge based of plot holes and how close they were to the story. I hate that some people think its subjective, its just not. I may not have liked the end results of OMD, but that is not why its a bad story in itself.

[oldschool]

who voted on it being a bad story universally. When did we get that memo?

Seriously.....wow....I guess this is "The World According To Charlesthehammer".....

[charlesthehammer]

who voted on it being a bad story universally. When did we get that memo?

Why would there be a vote, number of people to hate it have nothing to do with it being bad.

[oldschool]

No, you judge based of plot holes and how close they were to the story. I hate that some people think its subjective, its just not. I may not have liked the end results of OMD, but that is not why its a bad story in itself.

Wrong.

All art is subjective and this is a comic book----a form of art.

You wanna go ahead and tell me some of the Beatles music is "bad" (by your standards) because they don't follow traditional song structures and melodic arrangements and do stupid things like recording backwards with a tape loop?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

[ShaggyB]

It was editorially mandated and that does explain the story itself. But-like those of us who spent time on figuring out the warp drive for the original Star Trek show actually could work-delving further into the story than what is on the printed page is one of the great joys of reading. It's just frustrating that something so important was in my opinion so badly done and-difference or no-I see nothing wrong with saying so as many times as I like.

Mark_S

Im fine with you saying it till the end of time. The point of this thread is more about whether you think your constant complaint will result in positive reinforcement or negative opinion on you by your peers.

[ShaggyB]

Wrong.

All art is subjective and this is a comic book----a form of art.

You wanna go ahead and tell me some of the Beatles music is "bad" (by your standards) because they don't follow traditional song structures and melodic arrangements and do stupid things like recording backwards with a tape loop?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

bingo.

Good and Bad in regards to art/stories is subjective to the individual. NOTHING is universal because NO ONE is the same.

[charlesthehammer]

Wrong.

All art is subjective and this is a comic book----a form of art.

You wanna go ahead and tell me some of the Beatles music is "bad" (by your standards) because they don't follow traditional song structures and melodic arrangements and do stupid things like recording backwards with a tape loop?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Not even close to compare. Story has to follow a certain logic, not real world logic, but at least its own, a story that doesnt do that is bad. Or a story that leaves you without the info needed to see the whole picture. When the villain has no real motive at all, and the effects of the decision are ignored for later stories that makes it a bad story. I really dont get why you feel I am forcing my opinion on you but you can do the same to me. Also Beetles (and music in general) suck.

[stephen wacker]

It was editorially mandated and that does explain the story itself. But-like those of us who spent time on figuring out the warp drive for the original Star Trek show actually could work-delving further into the story than what is on the printed page is one of the great joys of reading. It's just frustrating that something so important was in my opinion so badly done and-difference or no-I see nothing wrong with saying so as many times as I like.

Mark_S

I would quit Marvel forever if i were you!

SW

[oldschool]

Not even close to compare. Story has to follow a certain logic, not real world logic, but at least its own, a story that doesnt do that is bad. Or a story that leaves you without the info needed to see the whole picture. When the villain has no real motive at all, and the effects of the decision are ignored for later stories that makes it a bad story. I really dont get why you feel I am forcing my opinion on you but you can do the same to me. Also Beetles (and music in general) suck.

You are so completely wrong I cannot even begin to explain it. If you think music and art are not subjective, then I really cannot help explain it to you----seriously.

[charlesthehammer]

You are so completely wrong I cannot even begin to explain it. If you think music and art are not subjective, then I really cannot help explain it to you----seriously.

Music is subjective, certain parts of comics are subjective,(for example, I like the marriage, others dont, neither of our opinions are more correct then the other.) story structure is not.