CBR: Cup O' Joe - Aug 5, 2011

[stephen wacker]

Because there have been several cases over the last 10 years the only use you guys seem to have for non white minority characters is to either kill them off (and unlike their white counterparts, they stay dead),maim them,depower then,or turn them evil.

Then there is crap like the Blade's last ongoing series, in which you guys cut off Blade's hand and revealed that he is half white. You guys took one of the earliest black heroes (who also kicked off Hollywood's interests in comic book movies again) and made him half white. What the hell is up with that? I don't think that you guys would ever do that with a long standing white character.

This selective, jaundiced tripe is your proof that Marvel "doesn't want diversity"? That's pretty funny.

Sorry you didn't like the Blade book.

SW

[stephen wacker]

I wish instead of wasting ink in the credits of each Marvel comic by stating who the CCO and Publisher were Marvel would credit the original creators in the credits. For Example have a 'Spider-Man created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko' or FF created by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby. DC credits the characters original creators when will Marvel follow suit?

It is cool, But DC and MArvel does it with some characters due to legal necessities or contractual reasons. It's not something you can just legally do on a whim.

SW

[Darevolution]

Spider-man is my favorite character and I truly don't understand a few things about all the controversy that is being caused by the introduction of Miles Morales.

First of all we've known for quite some time now that Peter was going to die and that he was going to be replaced by a new Spider-Man. I don't have the exact dates in front of me right now but considering that 4 issues of Ultimate Fallout have been released it has to have been at least a month now. I didn't see much rage or hatred, in fact most people thought it was a well written story in contrast to how things were handled with Bucky. The only new information we have is WHO is under the mask and NOW it's the end of the world, NOW it's a gimmick, NOW it's a Stunt? So my question is why is it so severe all of a sudden when the only new information we have is the new Spider-Man's age name and ethinicity?

The last point I want to make is that the Ultimate Universe is not the main Marvel line the "real" Peter Parker is still alive and well. So if you want to read stories about Pete they are there in every other medium you can imagine. As a fan of the Spider marriage one of the things that upset me the most was that it was a poorly written story and I now had nowhere to read about my favorite marriage in fiction. I consider myself a fair person and I feel like Marvel did it the right way this time. Peter had a tremendous ending, He saved Captain America, (his idol) He took down the entire Sinister 6 with a bullet in him, saved his best friends Johnny and Bobby and died peacefully knowing that he was able to save his Aunt. Now we have the chance to see the legacy that Peter leaves behind and how characters like Aunt May MJ Gwen and Kitty respond to this new kid running around in Peter's footsteps.

I don't personally like the fact that Peter Parker is dead in the Ultimate Universe but I'm excited about the stories that will come out of it. And this time I don't have to scratch my head and wonder what's canon and what isn't or just accept magic as the answer for everything. I can just read the new stories knowing everything I've read up until this point is still valid.

[stephen wacker]

Spider-man is my favorite character and I truly don't understand a few things about all the controversy that is being caused by the introduction of Miles Morales.

First of all we've known for quite some time now that Peter was going to die and that he was going to be replaced by a new Spider-Man. I don't have the exact dates in front of me right now but considering that 4 issues of Ultimate Fallout have been released it has to have been at least a month now. I didn't see much rage or hatred, in fact most people thought it was a well written story in contrast to how things were handled with Bucky. The only new information we have is WHO is under the mask and NOW it's the end of the world, NOW it's a gimmick, NOW it's a Stunt? So my question is why is it so severe all of a sudden when the only new information we have is the new Spider-Man's age name and ethinicity?

The last point I want to make is that the Ultimate Universe is not the main Marvel line the "real" Peter Parker is still alive and well. So if you want to read stories about Pete they are there in every other medium you can imagine. As a fan of the Spider marriage one of the things that upset me the most was that it was a poorly written story and I now had nowhere to read about my favorite marriage in fiction. I consider myself a fair person and I feel like Marvel did it the right way this time. Peter had a tremendous ending, He saved Captain America, (his idol) He took down the entire Sinister 6 with a bullet in him, saved his best friends Johnny and Bobby and died peacefully knowing that he was able to save his Aunt. Now we have the chance to see the legacy that Peter leaves behind and how characters like Aunt May MJ Gwen and Kitty respond to this new kid running around in Peter's footsteps.

I don't personally like the fact that Peter Parker is dead in the Ultimate Universe but I'm excited about the stories that will come out of it. And this time I don't have to scratch my head and wonder what's canon and what isn't or just accept magic as the answer for everything. I can just read the new stories knowing everything I've read up until this point is still valid.

That seems pretty well thought out.

Some people just approach any move Marvel makes in a "pre-angry" mode.

SW
SW

[Faded]

OMG! Marvel's a business!

OMG! Marvel cares about quality AND promotion!

OMG! There actually still IS a void of ethnic characters in comics!

The responses here are outrageous.

Its not publicity of all things that's going to kill the comic book industry, its the inane character idolatry that keeps fans from tolerating change outside of what's stored in their inner fan-fictions.

[Ari Gold]

On topic, I think it's interesting that if I asked any of my non-comicbook reading friends what they thought about the black/hispanic Spider-Man none of them would have any idea what I was talking about.

I do, though, think it's a GREAT option for comic book readers looking to read about characters with a bit more ethnic diversity.

[stephen wacker]

On topic, I think it's interesting that if I asked any of my non-comicbook reading friends what they thought about the black/hispanic Spider-Man none of them would have any idea what I was talking about.

I do, though, think it's a GREAT option for comic book readers looking to read about characters with a bit more ethnic diversity.

Do you agree with the poster who said Marvel "doesn't want diversity"?

SW

[Darevolution]

I'm just a fan who speaks their mind and is fair. If this was during OMD/BND or in the main 616 universe I would be with you carrying the pitchforks and gasoline but some of the arguments on here are plain ridiculous and thinly veiled. I actually made a thread on another site about how gimmicky death has become and used Ultimate Peter and Bucky as new examples. Other posters shot me down saying how well written USM 160 was and how Bucky got the short end of the stick. And in hindsight I agree with that. We have all complained about killing off characters because they just return anyway. Well it looks like this death was made for true change yet it's still being called a gimmick and a stunt. Go figure.

[Ari Gold]

Do you agree with the poster who said Marvel "doesn't want diversity"?

SW

Hmmm.

I think Marvel wants whatever will get more readers to read their books. (Obviously.) I don't believe, though, that diversity necessarily equates to better sales.

I'm, personally, not entirely convinced that Miles Morales creation was a move to create more diversity in the Marvel Ultimate U, as opposed to an opportunity to get some attention (by killing and replacing a "flagship" character).

And to be fair, if it was a stated move to "create diversity" it wouldn't be well received either.

[Darevolution]

I just don't get why people are so upset. The new Ultimate Spider-Man could've been Mike Molinari 17 year old Juice head from Seaside heights NJ who gets bitten by a radioactive spider while tanning. And decides to call himself the Spideration. Now THAT would be a Gimmick and STunt for the AGES!

[Ramage]

Nope. He works for marvel and the moderators all kiss his ass.

[Dave H]

I don't agree with "Ultimate universe isn't the real universe".

It seems far more "real" to the mainstream public than ASM is, I can promise you that. From tv shows, to clothing to posters to trades in stores, to freakin' birthday cakes, USM is far more prominent and what happens there is a pretty big deal.

[RolandJP]

I'd love to see an overweight superhero done seriously. Spandex costume and everything. Maybe a female hero with a muffin top Thatd be beyond awesome.

Hmmmm Gertrude Yorkes

The Runaways. Awesome Series. You should check it out.



Or Zephyr from Valiant comics Harbinger

[Sighphi]

Considering Bill jemas was co-writer of Ultimate Spider-man, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Harras had nothing to do with the Ultimate line, and that Quesada saying he was involved, is probably true.

No it was Harras.

What makes you think Marvel doesn't want diversity? That's a lot of mind reading.

And you got us on the fact that we want publicity to sell a lot of comics. Darn...how'd you figure that out?!

SW

How about throwing some flavor on Marvel's premiere team The Avengers?
Cause outside of Cage, which doesnt get a good showing anyway, the teams are filled with white folks.The only title with the Avengers words in it that has some diversity is the extremely fringe Academy.

Why dont you end T'Challa's super hero tour with him joining the Avengers?

We can only make Miles who he is. he's not meant to be an example of every convenient trait you can dream up.

He's not overweight, but we do have other overweight characters if that's your interest.

(I hope your point wasn't something like "no black or hispanic characters until we have overweight characters" because that would be too cartoonish even for a message board.)

SW

AAaaawwww! That's so cure, Miles is who he is.
Seriously, why dont you get rid of Spider-man or Wolverine in one team and replace them with some color?

[Blade X]

This selective, jaundiced tripe is your proof that Marvel "doesn't want diversity"? That's pretty funny.

SW

No, it's my proof that you guys aren't as seriously commited to making your books more diverse.

List at least 12 non white minority characters that were created before 2000 and were brought back and used for something other than to be killed off, depowered,maimed,or turned evil.