CBR: CCI: Grant Morrison, Deepak and Gotham Chopra Discuss Superheroes and Cynicism

[CBR News]

Grant Morrison, Deepak Chopra and Gotham Chopra held a lively metaphysical discussion about the role of superheros today, their future, and how to invoke your inner superhero.


Full article here.

[ian33407]

I'm not so optimistic than Mr Morrison, from which I'm a great admirer..
Utopias hardly find their way on paper, and this is the last place when we could find them because there are no rooms for them elsewhere, and soon the world will change so much that they won't make us dream anymore (the further generations will endure a curious feeling of abstract nostalgia, feeling they had lose something, or that something had been taken from them, but they won't have any clue about what exactly) I mean, the people who are polluting the Planet are the same that will make you pay for the fresh air...They got the laws and the medias ...

WTF ??

(- could you please relaying this to Mr Morrison, dear CBR ?)

[Xenos]

ian33407.

Thanks *so* much for saving my time! I thought I'd have to wait at least a little while for some nay-sayer to "contribute" his sorry two bits. And you've put icing on the cake by being incomprehensible. I knew opinions like yours, like termites, would start coming out of the woodwork practically immediately. Thanks for confirming my own cynicism.

But I'm on Morrison and Chopra's side. Higher, faster, better, greater. Think nobly, dream nobly, become nobler. The future is not in reiterating and confirming what we *are*--it's in becoming what we *can become.*

[Gorgeousaur]

ian33407.

Thanks *so* much for saving my time! I thought I'd have to wait at least a little while for some nay-sayer to "contribute" his sorry two bits. And you've put icing on the cake by being incomprehensible. I knew opinions like yours, like termites, would start coming out of the woodwork practically immediately. Thanks for confirming my own cynicism.

To be fair, it appears that Ian's first language isn't English. And from experience in working with people little experience in English, their tone doesn't usually match their intent when expressing a deferring opinion. Also, "think nobly, dream nobly, become nobler" probably wouldn't include shooting down anybody with a differing opinion. ;)

@Ian:
First, I commend you for trying to tackle a heady subject like utopia in a second language. Lord knows, it's not easy to talk about even in your first language. Second, I don't think Morrison and Chopra are suggesting that a utopia would be a world with %100 harmony or anything like that. Just inferring what, at least Mr. Morrison, has written before, they are envisioning a world where everyone at least shows a bit more humility, a little bit more respect, a little bit more loving and forgiving. Not necessarily a perfect world, but one that constantly strives to get better.

But I'm on Morrison and Chopra's side. Higher, faster, better, greater. Think nobly, dream nobly, become nobler. The future is not in reiterating and confirming what we *are*--it's in becoming what we *can become.*

This I completely agree with.

[carabas]

ian33407.

Thanks *so* much for saving my time! I thought I'd have to wait at least a little while for some nay-sayer to "contribute" his sorry two bits. And you've put icing on the cake by being incomprehensible. I knew opinions like yours, like termites, would start coming out of the woodwork practically immediately. Thanks for confirming my own cynicism.

But I'm on Morrison and Chopra's side. Higher, faster, better, greater. Think nobly, dream nobly, become nobler. The future is not in reiterating and confirming what we *are*--it's in becoming what we *can become.*

Well, he's completely comprehensible if not exactly writing in Queen's English.

Your post on the other hand... the vile first paragraph and the contrasting second one seem as if written by to very different people and together they make little sense.

[mmurphy1968]

It amazes me how much attention Chopra gets. So much mumbo jumbo. If you read (or listen to) what Chopra says it should quickly becomes apparent he not really saying anything. He spews nonsense with the intention of sounding deep or spiritual. He then tosses in references to physics and other sciences but totally misunderstands the concepts he is referencing. When I think about how many people listen to him and believe it does not surprise me that, as a country, we rank so low in science education.

[normbreyfogle]

Chopra, like Morrison, is more a poet/artist/mythologist than a scientist. This fact, however, doesn't devalue what Chopra and Morrison are saying, i.e., that separating the technical from the ethical/moral/humanitarian is a prescription for disaster; they are correct about that. Science and logic can be wielded by monsters; what we need to do is overwhelm the monsters' POV with the loving, moral, positive heroes' POV.

[The Surrealist]

Grant Morrison, Deepak Chopra and Gotham Chopra held a lively metaphysical discussion about the role of superheros today, their future, and how to invoke your inner superhero.


Full article here.

Great article, thanks. Moving into your Heart and entering Deepak's Golden Ball of Pure Potentiality in your mind, then emerging as your inner superhero. Quite the meditation technique. If it worked just once as a genuine psychological transformation for somebody, we could have a real super-man (or woman).

[howyadoin]

It amazes me how much attention Chopra gets. So much mumbo jumbo. If you read (or listen to) what Chopra says it should quickly becomes apparent he not really saying anything. He spews nonsense with the intention of sounding deep or spiritual. He then tosses in references to physics and other sciences but totally misunderstands the concepts he is referencing.

That is what bullshit artists do.

You'd think he'd have hired better ghostwriters by now, though.

[Tages]

Chopra, like Morrison, is more a poet/artist/mythologist than a scientist. This fact, however, doesn't devalue what Chopra and Morrison are saying, i.e., that separating the technical from the ethical/moral/humanitarian is a prescription for disaster; they are correct about that. Science and logic can be wielded by monsters; what we need to do is overwhelm the monsters' POV with the loving, moral, positive heroes' POV.

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[Charles RB]

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Which makes you wonder why Morrison's fallen for it. He's not a dumb guy.

[Michael P]

Which makes you wonder why Morrison's fallen for it. He's not a dumb guy.

One doesn't have to be dumb to be a sucker. One just has to be vulnerable to confirmation bias. And that's pretty much everyone.

[Kees_L]

Well, I'll be just another clutsy schmuck myself,
but this Deepac Chopra dude sounds like just another Tell Sell commercial, hyping the obsolete.
A guru, and I don't particularly take kindly to such, because people should use their heads and think positive - but surely without kidding themselves or becoming silly.

I mean no matter how much one wills to be a super-hero, people aren't gonna fly or get x-ray vision for themselves. With good reason.

Or better put:
Any dreaming or wonderment over the impossible, dictates the impossible to really needing to be impossible. Since if people could learn how to fly and get x-ray vision, than such would simply become to not be superhuman traits any longer.

So this Chopra might be an okay cardiologist according to Wiki, but his jumbo seems to pretty much suck.

[Iangould]

But I'm on Morrison and Chopra's side. Higher, faster, better, greater. Think nobly, dream nobly, become nobler. The future is not in reiterating and confirming what we *are*--it's in becoming what we *can become.*

Tomorrow belongs to me

[Iangould]

Which makes you wonder why Morrison's fallen for it. He's not a dumb guy.

The Chopra's were amongst the original investors in "Virgin Comics"and seem to be the principal backers of the successor company, Liquid Comics
which has published some of Morrison's Virgin works and has announced plans to publish more.

Oddly, cheques for large sums of money have been known to sway the judgment of evolved higher beings who assure us they are beyond such things,