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    What was wrong militarily?

    1. There were no airpower assets in Hawaii other than the heliocopters that were destroyed. That is probably not true.
    2. There were no troop ground assets to assault the mountain top. Hawaii swarms with troops.
    3. There is no way in God's green earth you could get the battleship moving in that time frame. Nor do museum ships have live ordnance on them. Even with the codgers, they did not have enough crew.
    4. The aliens had NO defenses against missiles. Not realistics for warships. Nor could those geniuses figure out how to avoid a sattelite on the way in.
    5. The three warships had about 270 missiles on them - they could have salvoed them at first action and ended the movie then.

    If the international fleet had been inside the zone or the bases had a touch of warning, they would have destroyed the aliens in a short time. As it was, one destroyer took out most of the alien fleet. Given that the tech now will be examined, another sortie like this would be eliminated in no time.

    The aliens main weapon, the shredders were taken out easily by jets. An alert defense would stop them. As far as the pegs. They seem a short distance weapon and if the ships had more AA assets, like more CIWS - they could have stopped them. Our ships are undergunned for saturation attacked with something like a mortar.

    We could move to a distance as our missiles have much more range. True, radar didn't see the enemy but I'd bet IR and enhanced optics would and could guide missiles directly. The tech is well known.

    They were the weakest aliens we've seen invade recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Smith View Post
    What was wrong militarily?

    1. There were no airpower assets in Hawaii other than the heliocopters that were destroyed. That is probably not true.
    2. There were no troop ground assets to assault the mountain top. Hawaii swarms with troops.
    3. There is no way in God's green earth you could get the battleship moving in that time frame. Nor do museum ships have live ordnance on them. Even with the codgers, they did not have enough crew.
    4. The aliens had NO defenses against missiles. Not realistics for warships. Nor could those geniuses figure out how to avoid a sattelite on the way in.
    5. The three warships had about 270 missiles on them - they could have salvoed them at first action and ended the movie then.

    If the international fleet had been inside the zone or the bases had a touch of warning, they would have destroyed the aliens in a short time. As it was, one destroyer took out most of the alien fleet. Given that the tech now will be examined, another sortie like this would be eliminated in no time.

    The aliens main weapon, the shredders were taken out easily by jets. An alert defense would stop them. As far as the pegs. They seem a short distance weapon and if the ships had more AA assets, like more CIWS - they could have stopped them. Our ships are undergunned for saturation attacked with something like a mortar.

    We could move to a distance as our missiles have much more range. True, radar didn't see the enemy but I'd bet IR and enhanced optics would and could guide missiles directly. The tech is well known.

    They were the weakest aliens we've seen invade recently.
    the militarily is not so good in movies look at Avengers we have a wave of Chitauri descend upon NY and all i saw wus like 5 militarily guys poping off a few who look like they dont give a fuck then what do they do send a nuclear missile in to NY to me it wus a fun good movie and they did a better job with the militarily then they did in the Avengers thets not saying a lot tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Smith View Post
    What was wrong militarily?

    1. There were no airpower assets in Hawaii other than the heliocopters that were destroyed. That is probably not true.
    Airpower is useless when the ships were protected by the bubble shield.
    They did show an F-18 crashing into the shield and that's all that needed to be seen on air power.

    2. There were no troop ground assets to assault the mountain top. Hawaii swarms with troops.
    All of Hawaii wasn't inside the bubble shield, so im guessing the part that was didnt have a military base.

    3. There is no way in God's green earth you could get the battleship moving in that time frame. Nor do museum ships have live ordnance on them. Even with the codgers, they did not have enough crew.
    I think they transferred a lot of stuff from other places. And ... it's a movie.
    This was not the part when you throw out real life restrictions on this film, that happened when the aliens landed.

    4. The aliens had NO defenses against missiles. Not realistics for warships. Nor could those geniuses figure out how to avoid a sattelite on the way in.
    And you are an expert on how this alien technology developed how exactly?

    5. The three warships had about 270 missiles on them - they could have salvoed them at first action and ended the movie then.
    Too bad that they decided to start with communication, right?


    If the international fleet had been inside the zone or the bases had a touch of warning, they would have destroyed the aliens in a short time. As it was, one destroyer took out most of the alien fleet. Given that the tech now will be examined, another sortie like this would be eliminated in no time.

    The aliens main weapon, the shredders were taken out easily by jets. An alert defense would stop them. As far as the pegs. They seem a short distance weapon and if the ships had more AA assets, like more CIWS - they could have stopped them. Our ships are undergunned for saturation attacked with something like a mortar.

    We could move to a distance as our missiles have much more range. True, radar didn't see the enemy but I'd bet IR and enhanced optics would and could guide missiles directly. The tech is well known.

    They were the weakest aliens we've seen invade recently.
    If the aliens.... have only one kind of ship, that is.

    Im going to take a wild guess and say these were scouts and are the more lightly armored ships.

    And they are not the weakest aliens we seen recently, Battle LA, the aliens from Falling Sky, ID4, etc, etc.
    Aliens are usually shown have one kick ass tech that when taken down brings them to the level that earth weaponry can take them down.

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    You have to be the only person who thought this hard about this movie.
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    The F-18 that crashed was outside of the bubble. When the bubble went down and the F-18s got in, they blew up the ship and shot down the shredders - pay attention.

    Other ships - they weren't in the movie so that's irrelevant. The base attacked was inside the bubble and thus so were ground forces.

    As as it being a movie - sure - but if it's stupid, it's stupid. Could have been done better. The ID4 aliens got taken down by a trick. Battle LA aliens didn't show the same military stupidity. They were basically the same level and fought decently.

    Did I think about it, yes - I have a higher level of mentation than some.

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    Hell, Disney right now is working on a flick based on their Matterhorn ride even as we speak. And old scripts being retooled to become part of existing franchises isn't anything that new. DIE HARD WITH A VENGENCE from a script Fox bought entitled "Simon Says". Like wise the follow-up, LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD was based on an article "A Farewell To Arms", dealing with computer terrorism.


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