CBR: CCI: The "ThunderCats" Premiere

[Sighphi]

I wouldn't say fanboy ripe, but I would say illogical. It wasn't like the concept of technology being lost and shrouded in myth was a concept they surprised you with when Mum-Ra showed up, it was a continuous plot point developed through the course of the episode.

I'm not saying it's a surprise, im saying that the implementation was bad.
Specially when Lion-O went to a store to buy it, a cleric (whatever they are) Cheetara was there, and Tygra walked into Lio-O's room full of that stuff.

It was more like the Kingdom doesnt want to use hi-tech instead of considering it as a myth since is not that hard to acquire. And since they are the rulers of the planet it's just too strange for them NOT to notice any of this.

[Robotech Master]

Cheetara said she thought all that stuff in the blackmarket shop were fakes designed by the seller to take advantage of people like Lion-o.

Since he had yet to demonstrate any of his relics as actually doing anything, this was probably what most people thought of it.

And rulers of the planet is WAY too much of a stretch. They merely control some of the best land, giving themselves great natural resources. But numerous lines about the world outside of Thundera's gates being a mystery and whatnot imply that they are actually very ignorant of the outside world.

Hell, if you listen to how they describe Grune and panthro's mission, it was a journey of great adventure and discovery, with Claudus at one point announcing to a crowd that Grune brought back tales of new, great lands for the cats to one day conquer. So that also further shows they don't know everything about their world and have yet to really expand beyond one big kingdom.

[thwhtGuardian]

I'm not saying it's a surprise, im saying that the implementation was bad.
Specially when Lion-O went to a store to buy it, a cleric (whatever they are) Cheetara was there, and Tygra walked into Lio-O's room full of that stuff.

It was more like the Kingdom doesnt want to use hi-tech instead of considering it as a myth since is not that hard to acquire. And since they are the rulers of the planet it's just too strange for them NOT to notice any of this.

I don't see how it was implemented poorly at all, it clearly was hard to acquire as no one batted an eye when Groon said he didn't see any tech on his journey.

You'll notice Lion-O didn't grab everything from his stash, or that he wasn't interested in everything that merchant had to offer, it seems likely that Cheetara was right; the relics were largely fakes and that Lion-o just lucked out with that one purchase.

It's the same with any "relic" dealer in the real world, you'll find all kinds of merchants selling what they purport to be genuine artifacts that they found, most are junk they made themselves but every once in a while you might actually stumble onto something worth something.

The scene with Lion-O played out exactly like that, it wasn't that all his tech was good, just that one piece he picked that happened to be real.

[Acecool]

Cheetara said she thought all that stuff in the blackmarket shop were fakes designed by the seller to take advantage of people like Lion-o.

Since he had yet to demonstrate any of his relics as actually doing anything, this was probably what most people thought of it.

And rulers of the planet is WAY too much of a stretch. They merely control some of the best land, giving themselves great natural resources. But numerous lines about the world outside of Thundera's gates being a mystery and whatnot imply that they are actually very ignorant of the outside world.

Hell, if you listen to how they describe Grune and panthro's mission, it was a journey of great adventure and discovery, with Claudus at one point announcing to a crowd that Grune brought back tales of new, great lands for the cats to one day conquer. So that also further shows they don't know everything about their world and have yet to really expand beyond one big kingdom.

That is probably the biggest plot hole.

If the Thunder Cats are in a medieval time period, know about and in some instances enslaving the lizard people, then the Lizard people should not have tech they showed.

It would be like Europeans coming to the Americas, killing off and enslaving natives, only to find out that the natives has super high tech (like mechs) they could have been using the whole time.

This suggests that there was an outside influence that helped the Lizards achieve their tech. I do not think it was mumm-ra since he is more entrenched in magic than anyone, but he may have been a conduit. Perhaps he performed a spell that caused some future tech to be transported back in time.

Either way, I think it is going to be a plot point for future episodes.

[Robotech Master]

That is probably the biggest plot hole.

If the Thunder Cats are in a medieval time period, know about and in some instances enslaving the lizard people, then the Lizard people should not have tech they showed.

It would be like Europeans coming to the Americas, killing off and enslaving natives, only to find out that the natives has super high tech (like mechs) they could have been using the whole time.

This suggests that there was an outside influence that helped the Lizards achieve their tech. I do not think it was mumm-ra since he is more entrenched in magic than anyone, but he may have been a conduit. Perhaps he performed a spell that caused some future tech to be transported back in time.

Either way, I think it is going to be a plot point for future episodes.

Nah, this is obviously the first time the Lizards have shown this kind of tech in front of the cats, which means they've probably only had it long enough to learn how to use it and this has been their first big offensive involving it.

Grune said he discovered power, which means it will be a plot point that his journey involved finding lost tech, while the survivors will also probably encounter lots of it on their journey.

Mumm-ra probably does dabble in technology as well as magic in this version. Grune found technology and Grune helped the lizards, and at the end we saw that Grune was helping Mumm-ra and taking orders from him. So Mumm-ra is likely responsible for most of these events.

[BugsySig]

Nah, this is obviously the first time the Lizards have shown this kind of tech in front of the cats, which means they've probably only had it long enough to learn how to use it and this has been their first big offensive involving it.

Grune said he discovered power, which means it will be a plot point that his journey involved finding lost tech, while the survivors will also probably encounter lots of it on their journey.

Mumm-ra probably does dabble in technology as well as magic in this version. Grune found technology and Grune helped the lizards, and at the end we saw that Grune was helping Mumm-ra and taking orders from him. So Mumm-ra is likely responsible for most of these events.

Good points. This is obviously left open for future plot development. It is possible Grune awakened Mumm-ra, who then provided the tech, or the conspiracy includes a third party.

I can imagine an enslaved labor force of Robear Berbils building tech for the Mutants. This could also be how the SilverHawks show up...investigating alien interference on Thundera.

[batGRRRl4ever]

I liked this revamp very much. I don't understand why some people are so unclear that this is a reboot/retelling of the original story. Instead of coming from another world called Thundera they are part of merely a kingdom called Thundera ALREADY on Earth in the far future. There have been more than one interview with the new creators both online and in magazines.

I like how the characters have been tweaked a bit and even more that they've been given richer backstories. The makers of this version have said that this version of Thundercats is about ALL the characters and they aren't simply support for Lion-O. I like how this has more of a longterm narrative feel like Avatar: The Last Airbender.

My guess is that many of the animals today evolved over the centuries ala Planet of the Apes. My guess is that the old tech is from humans, who may or may not still be on this world, and if so probably in far fewer numbers.

Also interesting is how the Eye of Thundera is now 1 of 4 and begs the question, what can and is the purpose of the 4 together? Looking forward to the next episode!

[Acecool]

Nah, this is obviously the first time the Lizards have shown this kind of tech in front of the cats, which means they've probably only had it long enough to learn how to use it and this has been their first big offensive involving it.

Grune said he discovered power, which means it will be a plot point that his journey involved finding lost tech, while the survivors will also probably encounter lots of it on their journey.

Mumm-ra probably does dabble in technology as well as magic in this version. Grune found technology and Grune helped the lizards, and at the end we saw that Grune was helping Mumm-ra and taking orders from him. So Mumm-ra is likely responsible for most of these events.

Which is why I said there must be an outside influence that gave the tech to the lizards. Which is diametrically opposed to the idea put forth that the rest of the world is more advanced than the ignorant self cut off Thunder Cats.

Maybe we'll find out that mumm-ra was and is the last human and the tech is just stores of stuff long buried that he remembers.

[thwhtGuardian]

That is probably the biggest plot hole.

If the Thunder Cats are in a medieval time period, know about and in some instances enslaving the lizard people, then the Lizard people should not have tech they showed.

It would be like Europeans coming to the Americas, killing off and enslaving natives, only to find out that the natives has super high tech (like mechs) they could have been using the whole time.

This suggests that there was an outside influence that helped the Lizards achieve their tech. I do not think it was mumm-ra since he is more entrenched in magic than anyone, but he may have been a conduit. Perhaps he performed a spell that caused some future tech to be transported back in time.

Either way, I think it is going to be a plot point for future episodes.

It's definitely Mum-ra, not only has it been hinted that there was technology in the past so it would make sense for a person from the past to posses it but Grune said he got the technology after discovering a superior force.

Not only that but in the original series Mum-ra was always giving the mutants new weapons he developed so it makes sense that he would in the reboot as well.

[Sighphi]

Cheetara said she thought all that stuff in the blackmarket shop were fakes designed by the seller to take advantage of people like Lion-o.

Since he had yet to demonstrate any of his relics as actually doing anything, this was probably what most people thought of it.

Like i said, the kingdom seems to be more like one that doesnt want to use tech instead of one where tech is a myth. You dont have tech lying around and NOT check whats real or not unless you just dont want to learn about it.

And rulers of the planet is WAY too much of a stretch. They merely control some of the best land, giving themselves great natural resources. But numerous lines about the world outside of Thundera's gates being a mystery and whatnot imply that they are actually very ignorant of the outside world.

Hell, if you listen to how they describe Grune and panthro's mission, it was a journey of great adventure and discovery, with Claudus at one point announcing to a crowd that Grune brought back tales of new, great lands for the cats to one day conquer. So that also further shows they don't know everything about their world and have yet to really expand beyond one big kingdom.

Ok the world is too much but they seem to control a large area if they are oppressing a whole other people. You dont oppress a whole other people by hanging out in a castle.

I don't see how it was implemented poorly at all, it clearly was hard to acquire as no one batted an eye when Groon said he didn't see any tech on his journey.

You'll notice Lion-O didn't grab everything from his stash, or that he wasn't interested in everything that merchant had to offer, it seems likely that Cheetara was right; the relics were largely fakes and that Lion-o just lucked out with that one purchase.

It's the same with any "relic" dealer in the real world, you'll find all kinds of merchants selling what they purport to be genuine artifacts that they found, most are junk they made themselves but every once in a while you might actually stumble onto something worth something.

The scene with Lion-O played out exactly like that, it wasn't that all his tech was good, just that one piece he picked that happened to be real.

But some is real and that's the point.
It's there and it can be acquired and if the prince of the land knows about this then it's sure as hell that other people should know.
The setup seems to be more that people DONT want to believe in technology than technology not actually existing.

[thwhtGuardian]

Like i said, the kingdom seems to be more like one that doesnt want to use tech instead of one where tech is a myth. You dont have tech lying around and NOT check whats real or not unless you just dont want to learn about it.



Ok the world is too much but they seem to control a large area if they are oppressing a whole other people. You dont oppress a whole other people by hanging out in a castle.



But some is real and that's the point.
It's there and it can be acquired and if the prince of the land knows about this then it's sure as hell that other people should know.
The setup seems to be more that people DONT want to believe in technology than technology not actually existing.

The real stuff is rare though, so rare that the prince's fascination is considered childish.

It's akin to someone taking an interest in giant fossilized bones before the development of archeology, the fossils existed and you could find them if you went looking but the idea of giant animals roaming the planet in the past was considered a myth so the bones were neglected and considered nothing more than a mild curiosity.

[maczero]

Like i said, the kingdom seems to be more like one that doesnt want to use tech instead of one where tech is a myth. You dont have tech lying around and NOT check whats real or not unless you just dont want to learn about it.

It's there and it can be acquired and if the prince of the land knows about this then it's sure as hell that other people should know.
The setup seems to be more that people DONT want to believe in technology than technology not actually existing.

The real stuff is rare though, so rare that the prince's fascination is considered childish.

It's akin to someone taking an interest in giant fossilized bones before the development of archeology, the fossils existed and you could find them if you went looking but the idea of giant animals roaming the planet in the past was considered a myth so the bones were neglected and considered nothing more than a mild curiosity.

I think I have a better example of why they don't believe in technology. It's simply what little they've encountered doesn't work. Imagine if a car with no gas and a dead battery was transported back in time and found by a hunter/gatherer culture. They'd obviously think it's a strange object but given that it doesn't do anything, many would probably dismiss it over time.

[Young Avenger]

My guess is that many of the animals today evolved over the centuries ala Planet of the Apes. My guess is that the old tech is from humans, who may or may not still be on this world, and if so probably in far fewer numbers.

I hope there's humans in this continuity or else how would a Silver Hawks appearance work?

[Sighphi]

The real stuff is rare though, so rare that the prince's fascination is considered childish.

It's akin to someone taking an interest in giant fossilized bones before the development of archeology, the fossils existed and you could find them if you went looking but the idea of giant animals roaming the planet in the past was considered a myth so the bones were neglected and considered nothing more than a mild curiosity.

The bones has always been identified as something, whether it was a correct identification or not doesnt change that the bones where there and studied.

Technology is there and it doesnt seem to be studied at all. There seems to be more of an aversion to hi-tech rather than it being considered a myth.

[thwhtGuardian]

The bones has always been identified as something, whether it was a correct identification or not doesnt change that the bones where there and studied.

Technology is there and it doesnt seem to be studied at all. There seems to be more of an aversion to hi-tech rather than it being considered a myth.

And the tech is just as identifiable by some, it is just dismissed by most as were the theories on ancient paleontology and archeology by people in the past.

There seemed to be no aversion to tech in the episode what so ever, if it was some social taboo Lion-O would have been lectured and possibly punished for his collection of tech, instead he was just treated like a child with his head in the clouds.