I just don't like the idea of a clones anyway. Sometimes it's done well like X-23 but I just see it taking a lot away from Lorna's characters. I also don't see why people find it so hard to believe that Magneto could have gotten two women knocked up in the 80s years he's been walking around the marvel universe. It's not like he's ever really been shy of female companionship.
Ah fair enough then, I shan't pursue it any further. Still, appearance in AvX, potential new costume, and an origin story in the works, looks like things for Lorna are on the up!
Looks that way. I think Lorna really needs a big character defining story. She hasn't had one for quite a while. If her voice become's more defined maybe more people will use her.
My questions again didn't get asked, but its nice that two of our regulars here did and thanks to the x-editors for responding.
The most basic is take the good news that Lorna will be in what was offically labeled as the coda of sorts to House of M that being AvX. I never said it was impossible for her to be there. I know Brevoort gave me a negative response toward her being there several months ago, but that was several months ago. I said months ago even after Brevoort's response that if a writer like Bendis wanted it happen that would be the best shot of it happening and I said that it would make for an great link between HoM and AvX for Lorna to be there especially written by Bendis and drawn by Oliver Coipel.
Would her potental interaction with Wanda, Pietro, Magneto, etc be more or less interesting if she was a female clone? Alot less in my view. Its hard enough for her to have the pannel time to develop anykind of meaningful on pannel relationship as it is with them, with Lorna being dad's female clone to Wanda instead of her half sister it would become impossible in my view for the simple fact that Lorna is never going to get the kind of pannel time X-23 has had with her family which was required to make it work.
Put me down into the tweak her current ones camp to improve its headdress (more like it was in X-Men Legacy) and top (add skull) and I would strongly support it. I do support it right now over any change to a regular team like X-Factor costume.Well you can pursue, I just won't like it lol. I'm in two minds about this new costume thing. I'm one of the few that actually like her current.
Mitteloss has also made an issue of her breasts popping out on her new outfit and I can see how he and others could see that issue. I don't mind low cut, but it is pushing it as even Wanda usually doesn't have them that much out there.
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As for her current headgear its fine for me when its drawn straight on like below, not so much when its drawn from the sides.
At least if she does interact with Wanda in AvX she will be wearing her current outfit and not a team X-Factor one. Lets just say her current one or any of her green numbers really goes well with Wanda's red.
In fact her green outfits mesh really well with any of the other core outfits of the rest of her entire family. I am not precluding the possibility that a team outfit on her might be able to mesh well with the rest of her families costumes, its simply most of them haven't over the years that I recall except maybe her second Acolyte outfit.
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As for the second part, about her origins being addressed in X-Factor... we'll see. Right now, I don't trust Peter David covering them would be a good thing. He has too many characters on the team, something he has claimed outright himself when he said that Scarlet Witch could never join the book. That alone makes me think there's absolutely no way he could spend enough time on Lorna's origins to do justice to them, even if he has the most amazing origin idea imaginable. This is further hampered by how the Lorna portrayed so far in X-Factor comes off the same as before her past decade of development, living in a world where Alex is the be-all and end-all of her universe with no genuine interests and motivations of her own outside him. Saying the news doesn't come straight from Magneto is a bad omen too, because it suggests that it may try to undermine her worth and identity as a daughter of Magneto.
But as I've said before, if Peter David can write her well and respectfully toward her past decade of development, I will admit being wrong about him... but to re-emphasize, that's if that does turn out to be the case. I know there are X-Factor and Peter David fans that think the world of him, but I still don't have a lot of faith in him. Which would make it all the more meaningful if he does actually write Lorna well and turn my expectations of him around.
This actually touches on a video review by Linkara yesterday. He was reviewing Marville #2, and the writer of that thing actually insulted Peter David right in the comic, saying Peter David is a bad writer and has almost no fans. That's something I can see being said by readers on message boards, but it surprised me to see something like that. Also annoyed me. It came off as very unprofessional and mean-spirited of Marville's writer for purely personal ego reasons (I'm too lazy to look up the name of Marville's writer).
In sum, hearing Lorna will, in fact, get to be in AvX in some way after all makes me happier and puts me a lot more at ease concerning Marvel's attitude toward her. It gives me more of an impression that they do acknowledge and respect her past decade of development enough for her to be involved where she should be, even if it's not as big of a role as I would personally like to see.
I think Alex and Lorna might get a full page introducing them to the story. It's mentioned that they look great drawn by Coipiel, I assume they get a page or double page spread to earn that comment. On the next page there will probably be a panel with Magneto saying something like "daughter it is good to see you", Lorna will probably start bowing..I kid, partly. Scott with say something similar to Alex. I'd imagine they will just be fodder for the X-Men side, I think everyone is pretty much going to be fodder in this story except for Scott, Iron Fist, Hope, Wolvie, Wanda and Cap. Even though AVX has a huge cast, the focus is on a very small group of characters.
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1. A great drawn depiction of Lorna. I have zero doubt Coipel will pull it off here as he did before.
2. If she doesn't get a couple lines with a member of her family which I am hoping for at very least a reference to her parentage.
People forget that a book like X-Men Legacy which was the first x-title to deal with the issue since Austen left is only read by around 40K comic fans with maybe another 20K fans reading it online or at Marvel.com or buying the trade. Something like AvX the main series will be read by 200-300K hard core comic fans as it comes out with at least another hundred thousand or two reading it online, at Marvel.com, in trade, etc over the next several years.
Lorna's been out of the loop a long time and AvX is the perfect place to remind fans in a short and sweet way who she and Alex are and their family relationships. The family relationships part matters more for Lorna, because Alex as Scott Summers brother has been better established over a longer period of time and their last names aid in that. I fully expect another round of 'Huh... Lorna is Magneto's daughter/Wanda's sister/etc?' if her parentage is referenced in AvX.
But, hopefully that will be the last time it happens. I spent way more time then I should have answering such threads across the internet in past several years. I think we are finally reaching the point where its close to common knowledge to Marvel fans both long time comic buyers and new casual fans and it coming up in AvX will seal the deal with that.
Anyway Lorna sketch card.
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I actually DO like Lorna's current/space costume, but I see the need for a new look since she's back on Earth and on a street-level team.
On a side note, I hope Lorna gets to say something regarding the Wanda situation with her AvX cameo.
Bring back Hawkwoman
The second image is a really cool Polaris/Havok drawing. It's like it catches Lorna as she's flying.
"We can fight all day, Sunfire. But I still won't belong to anyone- but myself. And it's been a while since I've been able to say that."- Polaris, X-Men #187.