Polaris Appreciation III

[Gracie Branch]

Vote for Lorna's legendary X-Men #50 cover in the 50 Most Memorable Covers Of The Marvel Age
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...he-marvel-age/

[jmc247]

Voted, X-Men 50 certainly deserves to be up there.

[blanchett]

It is a beautiful cover.

[teddyeatsyourface]

People make a lot of assumptions about X-Factor, but this one annoys me the most. X-Factor might take a back-step in crossovers (even though it was part of Messiah Complex, Second Coming and soon Schism) but it's not detached from the Marvel universe or separate from mutant issues at large at all. In fact it's a lot more integrated than some other X-Books.







As you'll notice, both Wanda and Pietro have appeared with or in X-Factor, so there's nothing to say they won't again once Lorna's on board.

I'm sorry I just laughed at Reed's "Kindly leave the parenting to me" comment.

He's such a shit dad/husband. Even Scott is a better parent.

[jmc247]

It is a beautiful cover.

It perfectly encapsulated the era and it perfectly encapsulated what Lorna should be as a character beautiful, majestic, but also dangerous.

The internal art from those issues were powerful as well.





By the way here is the French cover to those issues.

[salarta]

Vote for Lorna's legendary X-Men #50 cover in the 50 Most Memorable Covers Of The Marvel Age
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...he-marvel-age/

I voted! I didn't vote for many because... the focus is which ones are memorable. While I've seen several of them before, most aren't memorable to me. The only two I voted for were X-Men #50 and Amazing Fantasy (one at the bottom).


I went back to thinking about Legacy #259 today, about several events and lines in it. Mostly lines. One by Carey in particular continues to get me.

"Whatever happens, your team's breaking up before it fairly got going. And whatever you do will be a slap in the face for someone."

That line was from Frenzy, and I can't help but think that to some extent it may be a big of Carey speaking through her about all the issues surrounding who Rogue gets in a relationship with. I don't know Carey's thoughts or intentions, these are just personal guesses and assumptions. From that, I feel like there's a part of him disappointed he's leaving the book before he could really get going, and that all the complaining by Rogue and Gambit fans about her in a relationship with Magneto, to the point of calling it "mind rape," really weighed on him. He knows no matter what he does, no matter how he or the writers following him tries to write, there will be fans out there that complain about it, and will take it as an insult.

I don't know much about Carey himself, but I can say something of my impressions I get from him as a reader. He's a good man, and an excellent writer. He isn't motivated by a fanboy desire to put character he likes on a pedestal and ruin characters he hates (assuming he even hates any of them). He gets a character, or sees something in one, and he wants to make the most of it. He wants to tell a story, he wants to make something great out of the opportunity offered to him that few fans get to have.

He has good intentions.

Good intentions go a long way with me. They're the reason I'm leaning back toward giving X-Factor at least a chance to win me over, because Peter David's comments about Polaris in interviews have been positive, cordial and honest. We'll see how things play out once he starts writing her, but for the moment I get the feeling Peter David has good intentions.

Thinking about it this way with Carey makes me a little sad. It's obvious he wanted to provide the best he could for a franchise and characters he loved. For his dedication, he got a smear job by "hardcore" people unwilling to accept change, however brief.

He'll probably never read this post, but I hope Carey knows that at least one person that read his work respects and appreciates him. And I don't mean just what he did for Lorna. I mean for all the characters he wrote that I read. I came extremely close to wanting to read Rachel as a second character of interest thanks to him, and I actually looked up who Ariel was after Legacy #259. Fascinating looking character.

[salarta]

It perfectly encapsulated the era and it perfectly encapsulated what Lorna should be as a character beautiful, majestic, but also dangerous.

The internal art from those issues were powerful as well.





By the way here is the French cover to those issues.

I liked the last two images. The second to last illustrates why it's such a shame that Lorna lost her secondary color of gold and got turned into looking more like a green blob.

The second one is very nice, though it makes me think of those silly video game covers from the 80s, like the crazy ridiculous one for Mega Man.

[jmc247]

Good intentions go a long way with me. They're the reason I'm leaning back toward giving X-Factor at least a chance to win me over, because Peter David's comments about Polaris in interviews have been positive, cordial and honest. We'll see how things play out once he starts writing her, but for the moment I get the feeling Peter David has good intentions.

Thinking about it this way with Carey makes me a little sad. It's obvious he wanted to provide the best he could for a franchise and characters he loved. For his dedication, he got a smear job by "hardcore" people unwilling to accept change, however brief.

Yes, salarta PAD has good intentions regarding the character. What we don't know is how he integrates what has come over the last two decades regarding Lorna with what she was when he wrote her. That is the big question at this point.

[salarta]

Yes, salarta PAD has good intentions regarding the character. What we don't know is how he integrates what has come over the last two decades regarding Lorna with what she was when he wrote her. That is the big question at this point.

Yep. Good intentions do go a long way with me, but there are definitely limits even to that for me. If good intentions lead to a very poor direction that I hate, I likely won't say anything really bad about the writer because I realize he's a human being with feelings and he meant well. But I'd still probably stop buying X-Factor, and still say it's a horrible direction for her. Good intentions do not result in a free ride from criticism, it's just that my criticism would come bundled with more compassion and understanding.

It's why I love Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. Most "fans" hate that film for not having all the elements the series is known for (swords, magic, chocobos, summons, airships, etc). I recognize that the film was good if you look at it for its own merits, and the real problem it had was Squeenix slapping the "Final Fantasy" name on the front as a misguided attempt to boost sales.

[.A²]

I'm sorry I just laughed at Reed's "Kindly leave the parenting to me" comment.

He's such a shit dad/husband. Even Scott is a better parent.

Well that one's technically a cheat because he's actually a doppelgänger and not Reed, but the real Reed and Sue show up later in the same arc, as well of course as Valeria and Franklin.

[jmc247]

Bigger version of the X-Factor cover for March.

[blanchett]

Just saw this on Tom Brevoort formspring. I have to admit I thought it was pretty funny. And no it wasn't my question.

Did you know there is a bunch of crazy Polaris fans who think you're the evil mastermind coming up with an evil plan that forbids Polaris to appear in the same book as Quicksilver and Wanda? lol! The worst part is that they really believe in it!

That's the downside of being somebody who's out in the world answering these questions--people will make you the scapegoat for anything they don't like or want to see done differently. But that is a risk that I am prepared to take on to serve you!

[jmc247]

Just saw this on Tom Brevoort formspring. I have to admit I thought it was pretty funny. And no it wasn't my question.

How many questions have you asked Brevoort about Lorna's parentage or relationship to Zaladane or related questions? A dozen? Each time letting Brevoort a chance to vent his anger about Lorna's parentage and getting Polaris fans to vent their anger at his reponses. Have you ever realized that you are feeding into the anger of many Polaris and Magnus family fans?

Do you know how many questions I have asked Brevoort the past five years? Two... one in 2007 at Marvel.com and another in 2010 at forumsprings. None of them had anything to do with Lorna's parentage.

[blanchett]

How many questions have you asked Brevoort about Lorna's parentage or relationship to Zaladane or related questions? A dozen? Each time letting Brevoort a chance to vent his anger about Lorna's parentage and getting Polaris fans to vent their anger at his reponses. Have you ever realized that you are feeding into the anger of fans like salarta and others?

Do you know how many questions I have asked Brevoort the past five years? Two... one in 2007 at Marvel.com and another in 2010 at forumsprings. None of them had anything to do with Lorna's parentage.

Your right it's all my fault. It's another conspiracy.

[jmc247]

Your right it's all my fault. It's another conspiracy.

There is no conspiracy, Brevoort is upfront about his views about Lorna's being in the family that he could retcon it if he could as he responded to your post almost exactly 12 months ago. That was after your third response to him about her parentage or Zaladane in about a week, which may have been an over reaction in response to anger at the questions about the topic or he may have been just saying what he really feels either way what do you think that wouldn't piss off Polaris fans at him much more then anything that was done or said up until that point.

Do you think that giving the Executive Vice President of Marvel comics a chance to bash Lorna's parentage over and over and over again in public wouldn't build up the anger at him big time amoung those who support her family connection.