Incidentally, I saw a picture of Agent Brand that was mislabeled as being a picture of Polaris. That, or the person simply picked up on how so much of Agent Brand's current role is the typical stuff Marvel does of sucking away options for lesser known veteran characters to promote brand new ones instead of using the brand new ones in brand new ways. http://x-cynix63.deviantart.com/art/...icon-319099959
Seeing these images gives me an overall feeling as if as fans of Lorna, we owe it to these new and potential fans to try our best to push for a brighter future for the character even if the company and people at it are not willing to listen.
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X-Poster of July 24th, 2013, 6:09:32 PM
Eh, what the hell, I'll post one more set. I have others but I'll keep them in reserve for when I need them later.
I kept my searching limited to deviantart this time, and I tried to do a search of "Polaris X-Factor" for the heck of it. Not as many hits as "Polaris X-Men" or "Polaris Marvel," but that's what you would expect when you use terms for whole properties instead of terms for a specific book or team within those properties. Most of the non-official pictures that came up when I did my search for "Polaris X-Factor" were of her early 90s run on the team including Peter David's time writing her. I mention that only because I find it a little fascinating. I normally expect older content to get less drawn of it than newer content. I've seen plenty of cases for video games where regardless of whether the new stuff was good or bad and whether or not the old stuff was classic, the new stuff still gets a lot more fanart simply because it's new. Or maybe I did a poor search, or things are different when it comes to comic books.
Edit: Oh, and let's not forget that picture drawn by someone in Japan I found a few years back that showed Lorna and Rahne standing side by side wearing kimonos. That's from the 90s X-Factor too.
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X-Poster of July 24th, 2013, 6:09:32 PM
Agent Brand is a high-profile character. X-factor is a book for extras. It shouldn't be difficult to distinguish them. If there's a green-haired mutant appearing outside of X-Factor and is interacting with real X-Men characters, it is most likely Agent Brand.
Thoughts shift over time based on a multitude of factors. Those quoted comments came before I saw the fanwork that I saw today. When you go from hardly seeing Lorna drawn at all, to after several months continuing to see fans include her in fanart that both highlights meaningful dynamics and includes her alongside iconic X-Men characters, it shows that there is still enough interest and unified desire to see a better future for the character that it's not a lost cause after all.
Also, I want to clarify that if my comments on my posts today, mainly the last two paragraphs of my prior post, are seen as an attack of some sort, then I'm genuinely sorry.
The first sentence of the first post I made today was regarding focusing my interests for future discussion more on Lorna as she has been more widely known up to now. That's why I did not respond to .AČ. This is why I said "from hardcore Polaris fans and casual fans alike," it means the versions of Lorna that are enjoyed by a wider pool than just hardcore Polaris fans. If I left it only at "hardcore Polaris fans," that would imply that anyone that likes current X-Factor Lorna couldn't be a "real" fan, and that would be very insulting. Likewise, I don't, and did not, think of it as saying X-Factor and its fans do not matter. It's obvious that they do; I've always felt that any creative work, regardless of who or how many read it, has worth. I don't think I'm insulting anything by implying that casual fans likely aren't following current comic events she's in, considering the idea of a casual fan is more or less "rarely if ever reads the actual comic books unless a major event takes place, otherwise tends to stick to other media." I wouldn't expect casual fans to be following what is happening on X-Factor unless a major event takes place akin to Schism or AvX, or if we're talking casual Lorna fans, then only when things like X-Factor #243 happen that are specifically focused on her. If X-Factor became the centerpiece of a big Marvel event where all the casual readers are reading it too, then what I said would no longer apply. If that reads as an insult then sorry for that too.
As for the two paragraphs of my prior post, that was genuine curiosity and wonder about the trends in fanart that I saw. I saw trends, it made me wonder what factors might be playing into it, and I asked the question openly. I consciously and explicitly included "maybe I did a poor search, or things are different when it comes to comic books" for this reason. I don't know why I see that phenomenon, there are many possible reasons and I wonder what they are. In retrospect, maybe I should not have asked those questions at all. Thinking on it in connection to past posts of mine, I can see how it could be taken negatively.
This is one downside I've found to online forum posting; without getting to see body language or hear the tone of a person's voice, it's easier to interpret it one way when the poster means it another way.
X-Poster of July 24th, 2013, 6:09:32 PM
Love that Happy Holidays Polaris costume! I hope she gets a Christmas solo cover!!!
There are no bad writers, only bad characters.
I obviously had an issue along with TGM about her depiction in X-Factor 245, but it was far more related to her view on mutant rights and philosophy then anything Magneto related. I did say I thought her comments about him I thought was overly harsh, but that is it.
I know Magnus family fandom online and while they aren't happy with what she said about him or that as most think that she won't be interacting with her family for a very long time to come, right now who is Lorna Dane as a character is a far bigger up in the air question for most Magnus family fans I know. Are we getting a new Lorna who is more of a generic hero that doesn't care much about mutant issues, has a black and white view of the world, etc? Those are the bigger questions being asked right now in Magnus family fandom then will she hate her 'bad dad' long term and will she interact with her family any time soon.
Lorna's discussions in X-Factor 245 questioned the basis of who she is as a character in a significant way and to be blunt its the first issue in over two decades I downright disliked Lorna as a character. I have been disappointed with her in some issues, but this Lorna came off judgmental, hypocritical and self-absorbed to the level that I disliked her at a personal level.
It reminded me of why I came to hate Capain America as he was increasingly shown as a insular and a hypocritical ass who decides who is good or bad based on his own arbitrary self-centered prejudices. Wanda is good because she was possessed by a great power that drove her mad which she asked for. Scott is bad because even though he was possessed not by his design unlike Wanda by a somewhat similar great power and went crazy... well um... he just is bad and should be kept in jail I Captain America say so.
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Also as we've discussed on here there are a bunch of reasons why she could have been so harsh on Scott down to personal dislike, thinking Utopia was doomed to fall like Genosha was, identifying that the Phoenix Five were losing control, resenting Emma for manipulating her mind and making her bow, she might have just been lashing out at Alex in the moment. It's too soon to tell. Wait a few issues.
Totally agree.It reminded me of why I came to hate Capain America as he was increasingly shown as a insular and a hypocritical ass who decides who is good or bad based on his own arbitrary self-centered prejudices. Wanda is good because she was possessed by a great power that drove her mad which she asked for. Scott is bad because even though he was possessed not by his design unlike Wanda by a somewhat similar great power and went crazy... well um... he just is bad and should be kept in jail I Captain America say so.
My primary interest in Lorna's parentage is more of a side effect of the aspect. I don't NEED to have her be Magneto's daughter, but because she is Magneto's daughter it's openned up a lot of story potential for the character even before she had a biological connection to him, so essentially I do NEED her to be Magneto's daughter but it isn't something I like to harp on. I think Lorna was pretty cool up until The Twelve when she joined Magneto, then I thought she was fantastic.
Just my two cents.
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My interest at least in regards to her family connections is finding some way to make it relevent and interesting again to fans even though they won't interact for what I suspect may be a number of years. To be pretty blunt I have never seen less interest in Lorna's relationship with her family at any time since I got back into Marvel comics in 2004. Now there are far greater factors at play in all of this, but I don't know how to turn that around and get fans to think its relevant as they won't be interacting and she won't be interacting with Wanda and Pietro either.
Anyway X-Factor 250 will have a Clay Mann Variant Cover.
And the cover to issue 248.
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