Polaris Appreciation III

[alf_to_the_rescue]

It was a plot point that Lorna wasn't in control of her powers at the time so she couldn't just lift them up. Her powers and their levels were all over the place. Even if she thought that the cult deserved to be killed her powers in that state might have hurt civillans. I think Lorna feeling irrationally guilty about what happened with Apocalypse is totally human and I really don't have an issue with it. I thought the problem with RAFOTSE was that it was just a meh storyline. It wasn't good or bad.

Pretty much how I feel about it. My biggest issue with it was it just seemed to drag on and on.

[blanchett]

Pretty much how I feel about it. My biggest issue with it was it just seemed to drag on and on.

If felt endless. It was a 12 issue arc. They don't do them anymore. Thank god!

[.A²]

Looks like Lorna's featured in the sneak peek at AvX #10 from Aaron's Commentary Track on AvX #9.

[blanchett]

I thought I'd try an experiment. We often debate about Polaris being badly written but a lot of times I think the main thing at debate isn't Polaris herself but it's who she's in the scene with.

I hated Carey's characterization of Polaris. I thought she came across as a cultish moron around her father. So as an experiment. I thought I would photoshop the scene and replace Havok for Magneto.

I still think she comes across as a cultish moron because no one, ever would say that. Actually it comes back to what Peter David was saying this week. Maybe Carey just needed to say it out loud before sending it to print. He was also admitted that he was writing Polaris as someone obsessed with Magneto, something else I didn't like. It was too blunt.

The other controversial scene from RAFOTSE with Havok and Polaris isn't something I have a problem with. For those that did though lets imagine that Havok just wasn't in that story. The "rescue party" was Professor X, Darwin, Rachel, Warpath and Magneto. This is about Lorna showing remorse about her time as a horseman and what Apocalypse had her do.

I still don't find this offensive even with the substition of Magneto. Is this scene suddenly okay because her family relationships are being referenced or is it still awful because Polaris is crying and appears remorseful?

At times particularly Carey's story it seems like the general consensus is that it's okay for Lorna to have next to no panel time, no dialogue, nothing to really do in the story at all actually, even appearing unskilled as long her being Magneto's daugther gets referenced. At times it just seems people are less interested in the whole character of Polaris, which includes X-Factor, Havok, Zaladane, Starjammers etc and just her being Magneto's daughter and Wanda's sister and nothing else. Peter David could very well write the best Polaris story ever written in 243 but if Magneto isn't referenced then I think a lot of people will still automatically hate it.

[jmc247]

Blanchett yes your image mod still would bother me if it occured at that point in her life. It would be fine if this was a younger Lorna who had just been mind controlled. Hell I would be fine with the scene if it was with Havok and this was coming out of her being mind controlled by Erik the Red and maybe just maybe even Malice. But, not at that point in her life. I am not against her showing she feels bad about what happened when she was mind controlled, but more like how PAD did it in X-Factor 87.

As for the my opinion of not hating her Legacy run with her like I do her RAFOTSE run. Both had paper thin personalities for Lorna. So, it comes down to what each writer did in the grand scheme of things for Lorna. Just on the basis of the fact RAFOTSE dumped Lorna in space for more than four years in addition to the year she just spent there and her run on Legacy brought her home I would rate her run on Legacy far higher.

But, confirming she is a mutant again something that was a very very big issue for me as well that I spent years lobbying Marvel for along with bringing her home from space.... as for showing what Magneto feels about her that was just the icing on the proverbial cake.

So, yes if I don't like Lorna's personality in either series it comes down to what the series did long term for either character. I would have a vastly different view on Brubakers run if he didn't dump Lorna in space and hook her back up with Havok at the end. Go look back at the CBR review threads for the many issues of RAFOTSE you will see I wanted to like it and I said at the time not everything in the series was bad for her. Dumping her in space without any plan to bring her back and hooking her back up with Havok were the dealbreakers for me making it virtually impossible to look back at anything during that arc including her attack on Vulcan without thinking about the two big negatives.

[salarta]

I love agendas! They're just so much FUN. They're exactly what I like about Lorna, seeing personal agendas put on a pedestal even if they would utterly destroy Lorna as a character! Boy howdy, I sure do hope we collectively get more chances to act like tools and watch as Lorna's potential as a character gets squandered all because personal agendas matter so very much more than whether or not Lorna sucks as a character.

I probably shouldn't post this, but right now I just don't care. This thread is starting to suck again. And to think, for a fleeting moment there this thread stopped sucking for long enough that we had two new posters. Which haven't posted in two days. For damn good reason. Why should they participate in a thread where personal agendas come before good writing?

[jmc247]

I love agendas! They're just so much FUN. They're exactly what I like about Lorna, seeing personal agendas put on a pedestal even if they would utterly destroy Lorna as a character! Boy howdy, I sure do hope we collectively get more chances to act like tools and watch as Lorna's potential as a character gets squandered all because personal agendas matter so very much more than whether or not Lorna sucks as a character.

I probably shouldn't post this, but right now I just don't care. This thread is starting to suck again. And to think, for a fleeting moment there this thread stopped sucking for long enough that we had two new posters. Which haven't posted in two days. For damn good reason. Why should they participate in a thread where personal agendas come before good writing?

That was the last post from me on the subject and you are right about what this does to the thread.

How about talking about the extremely postive reviews across the internet aboit Lorna in X-Factor 241?

[blanchett]

Why should they participate in a thread where personal agendas come before good writing?

That was actually the point of my post.....but whatever very deaf ears.

As for the my opinion of not hating her Legacy run with her like I do her RAFOTSE run. Both had paper thin personalities for Lorna. So, it comes down to what each writer did in the grand scheme of things for Lorna. Just on the basis of the fact RAFOTSE dumped Lorna in space for more than four years in addition to the year she just spent there and her run on Legacy brought her home I would rate her run on Legacy far higher.

But, confirming she is a mutant again something that was a very very big issue for me as well that I spent years lobbying Marvel for along with bringing her home from space.... as for showing what Magneto feels about her that was just the icing on the proverbial cake.

That's actually quite reasonable.

[salarta]

If it's all the same, I'm just going to post a few pictures. I'd rather shift focus to showing people that like Lorna and work done by them for a moment.



Created by Lightengale at http://lightengale.deviantart.com/ar...omen-212750080



Cosplay, from BlastXX at http://blastxx.deviantart.com/art/Polaris-WIP-312157474

And lastly, a John Byrne piece which, of course while being from the past, I thought was fascinating to think about because of Lorna being right at the very front and center. Cyclops to her left, Havok to her right, Magneto behind her and Xavier in front of her. Seems very symbolic in a way.





Also, a link to the Polaris Chronicles blog, whose maintainer used to post here every so often but hasn't for many months now. Which, frankly, I'm not surprised by in the slightest.

http://lornadane.blogspot.com/

[jmc247]

Byrne was a very good artist, not that good writer in my view. I see him as sort of a textbook case of why its better that comics have both an artist and a writer then having the artist have both duties.

[jmc247]

Looks like Lorna's featured in the sneak peek at AvX #10 from Aaron's Commentary Track on AvX #9.

It looks like Emma taking over Utopia by force has happened. Not a shock there.

[The_Greatest_Username]

Those John Byrne pieces are just great. He's so good at capturing facial expressions that contribute to a character's personality.

[jmc247]

Those John Byrne pieces are just great. He's so good at capturing facial expressions that contribute to a character's personality.

He is also good at capturing the 60s and 70s as an era in his art.

[infernohara]

It looks like Emma taking over Utopia by force has happened. Not a shock there.

Yeah, but Polaris is among the mind controlled. Hopefully this will bring some animosity for the two in the future.

[jmc247]

Yeah, but Polaris is among the mind controlled. Hopefully this will bring some animosity for the two in the future.

Emma will either be dead or full on villain by the end of AvX.