Polaris Appreciation III

[jmc247]

I just thought of something. Perhaps Lorna gets a meaningful amount of interaction with the Magnus family in AvX, and that gets picked up and carried further by Peter David in X-Factor?

Well for me meaningful in a series like AvX would be a few lines between Lorna and her father and Wanda... and/or to a lesser extent Pietro.

Wanda and Lorna having a few lines is most important as they are the most high profile sisters of Marvel who have virtually no on pannel relationship. Because of that at least fans and other writers getting a brief glimpse of them interacting matters alot toward any potental future interaction between them and it mentally opens up doors for people regarding what their relationship could be like if it was developed more.

Obviously, a few lines with Magneto just reaffirming her parentage to fans would be very nice as well given this series is HoM level high profile and would do alot to convince many fans that its canon and its going to stay that way or in some cases informing fans it is canon. I am also hoping that someone at Fox is reading AvX this summer and gets the idea to have her be in XMF #2 given the two characters that matter most to her in the comics will be there and the Avengers will likely be using Wanda and Pietro in Avengers #2.

Her interacting with Quicksilver offers the least potental as they already have a pretty developed relationship from being on two teams together (X-Factor and Acolytes), but I still wouldn't mind a line or two between them if the writers can find the time. Still its not as important as her having any interaction with Wanda or Magneto.

[Justin K.]

OMG everyone, guess what next X-Factor is? ROADTRIP!

Can't wait!

[salarta]

Well for me meaningful in a series like AvX would be a few lines between Lorna and her father and Wanda... and/or to a lesser extent Pietro.

Wanda and Lorna having a few lines is most important as they are the most high profile sisters of Marvel who have virtually no on pannel relationship. Because of that at least fans and other writers getting a brief glimpse of them interacting matters alot toward any potental future interaction between them and it mentally opens up doors for people regarding what their relationship could be like if it was developed more.

Obviously, a few lines with Magneto just reaffirming her parentage to fans would be very nice as well given this series is HoM level high profile and would do alot to convince many fans that its canon and its going to stay that way or in some cases informing fans it is canon. I am also hoping that someone at Fox is reading AvX this summer and gets the idea to have her be in XMF #2 given the two characters that matter most to her in the comics will be there and the Avengers will likely be using Wanda and Pietro in Avengers #2.

Her interacting with Quicksilver offers the least potental as they already have a pretty developed relationship from being on two teams together (X-Factor and Acolytes), but I still wouldn't mind a line or two between them if the writers can find the time. Still its not as important as her having any interaction with Wanda or Magneto.

I have to agree, the biggest thing I hope to see out of AvX, and hopefully future Magnus family storylines, is Lorna and Wanda interacting. That's what I want to see most. I don't know too much about Wanda at the moment outside stories that included Lorna, but the potential for how their relationship might pan out intrigues me a lot. I've enjoyed every iteration I've read so far. I'm honestly expecting Lorna's appearance in AvX will only be one or two panels, but I'm hoping it's more than that, and she gets to talk with members of her family. Regardless of her level of involvement in AvX, as long as she's not written maliciously, I'll at the very least buy the issue she's in no matter how many panels have her. Most likely I'll end up going back and buying the AvX issues that came before her appearance and reading those, then following the rest of AvX to its conclusion.

[blanchett]

Sadly because this will be answered in the second issue of X-Factor's five issue mini out in late August we won't get the solicit for the issue until early August after X-Factor 241 comes out if the trend for not leaking the solicit or cover to the second issue of the month until the first issue comes out holds.

Anyway I am been trying to figure out which issue Lorna appears in for AvX. Issue 6 would seem to be the earliest and most likely place for her to appear given Olivier Coipel is drawing them. My best guess is it happens in issue 6 or 7.

Well it says it's a five part story and part 2 is the bit with two characters reuniting, I would assume that's the solicit for 242. If Tier and Vanora are on the cover of 241 then I can't see them spoiling the next issue by the cover of 241.

[salarta]

Well it says it's a five part story and part 2 is the bit with two characters reuniting, I would assume that's the solicit for 242. If Tier and Vanora are on the cover of 241 then I can't see them spoiling the next issue by the cover of 241.

I have a strange feeling that the "two characters reuniting" doesn't include Lorna in the equation. I'm not saying we can't speculate and people can't be hopeful for what they would personally like to see, just that personally, I don't think whatever Lorna's going to do in that time will involve reuniting with someone.

[blanchett]

I have a strange feeling that the "two characters reuniting" doesn't include Lorna in the equation. I'm not saying we can't speculate and people can't be hopeful for what they would personally like to see, just that personally, I don't think whatever Lorna's going to do in that time will involve reuniting with someone.

Perhaps. The last Xposition said that Lorna finds something out about her past, but not from Magneto. A timeline wasn't given but it looks like she gets bad news on the cover. Something is going to happen to her in this storyline, she seems to be at the forefront as opposed to Havok.

I think they could really be in Hela's death realm. On the cover for 241 we have Vanora and Tier, both norse gods and I think Ikol(Old Loki stuck in crows form) on Theresa's arm. That's why I think Lorna might be the one to meet someone, but then again it might be something like Feral. Another character might be a dead ghost agent...like Feral and reappear.

If AVX wasn't still running the Scarlet Witch might be an interesting guest appearrance. With her mystical talents she could come in handy against norse gods and it would fit for the solicit for both Lorna and Layla....she's also probably know a fair bit about Lorna's actual backstory if she used Xavier's powers to read Magneto's mind...but it's all speculation.

[jmc247]

If AVX wasn't still running the Scarlet Witch might be an interesting guest appearrance. With her mystical talents she could come in handy against norse gods and it would fit for the solicit for both Lorna and Layla....she's also probably know a fair bit about Lorna's actual backstory if she used Xavier's powers to read Magneto's mind...but it's all speculation.

I think it's clear each book will focus on the story of mainly one or at most two characters. We just don't know where Lorna will fall amongst the five issues.

[blanchett]

I think it's clear each book will focus on the story of mainly one or at most two characters. We just don't know where Lorna will fall amongst the five issues.

I'm betting whoever this character that reuniting with one of the X-Factor guys is going to be on the cover of 242.

[jmc247]

I'm betting whoever this character that reuniting with one of the X-Factor guys is going to be on the cover of 242.

That is likely, but not very helpful towards figuring out who it is as we likely won't see the issue until early August. And, yes there are ways to keep it a secret and still show the cover. Mainly by blanking the person that we didn't expect to appear out on the cover.

It looks from the cover like Lorna is having a mental breakdown of sorts. I asked the artist after he posted the cover on devientart if that was what he was going for. But, the artist isn't going to say as its... spoilers. Its funny how different writers are about spoilers. One writer may think they are fine and its the story that sells the issue not the surpise factor. PAD is obviously at the other end of the spectrum.

[blanchett]

That is likely, but not very helpful towards figuring out who it is as we likely won't see the issue until early August. And, yes there are ways to keep it a secret and still show the cover. Mainly by blanking the person that we didn't expect to appear out on the cover.

It looks from the cover like Lorna is having a mental breakdown of sorts. I asked the artist after he posted the cover on devientart if that was what he was going for. But, the artist isn't going to say as its... spoilers. Its funny how different writers are about spoilers. One writer may think they are fine and its the story that sells the issue not the surpise factor. PAD is obviously at the other end of the spectrum.

I don't think that's fair. Sometimes the suprise, the twist is the best part of the story. If you know exactly what's going to happen why bother reading something? This is exactly the problem I have with all those X-Men Origins stories, they seem so unnecessary to me.

[jmc247]

OMG everyone, guess what next X-Factor is? ROADTRIP!

Can't wait!

Hopefully we will start to get an idea about PADs current view on Lorna as a character and her personality and views on the Roadtrip. Though I suspect the focus won't exactly be on Lorna and what she personally thinks and feels for the road trip, but she will get an issue I suspect late in the summer where the focus will be on how she thinks and feels about things.

[jmc247]

I don't think that's fair. Sometimes the suprise, the twist is the best part of the story. If you know exactly what's going to happen why bother reading something? This is exactly the problem I have with all those X-Men Origins stories, they seem so unnecessary to me.

You don't think what is fair? That I have a different view then you on spoilers. I am not attacking your point of view or PADs. I am simply stating that I have a different view on the matter. I knew everything that would happen in Magneto Testament and CW HoM at least from a grand prospective. But, I am interested in the quality of the story, the characterizations and the interpersonal interaction.

Perhaps alot of that comes from my background in history and two decades of reading history books that go over parts of history (all of which I already know) and I judge a book say based on Cleopatra based not on if there is anything new to be learned, but instead by how well the characters are depicted (and how close to the likely reality I think the author gets) and how well the character interaction is written.

[blanchett]

You don't think what is fair? That I have a different view then you on spoilers. I am not attacking your point of view or PADs. I am simply stating that I have a different view on the matter. I knew everything that would happen in Magneto Testament and CW HoM at least from a grand prospective. But, I am interested in the quality of the story, the characterizations and the interpersonal interaction.

Perhaps alot of that comes from my background in history and two decades of reading history books that go over parts of history (all of which I already know) and I judge a book say based on Cleopatra based not on if there is anything new to be learned, but instead by how well the characters are depicted (and how close to the likely reality I think the author gets) and how well the character interaction is written.

Well your phrasing implied that PAD not spoiling his stories was a bad thing. I think it's the opposite that storyline with Siryn and Madrox baby was stronger because you didn't know what was going to happen going in. Rictor and Shatter finally kissing on panel was a more powerful moment because of the suprise factor. I don't think either would have been enjoyable if the reader knew what was going to happen going in. I think it's a huge problem with comics nowadays that we get told FAR too much in advance. You don't even need to read a book to follow what's going on anymore. Maybe I just took you up wrong. It might just be a matter of taste

[jmc247]

Well your phrasing implied that PAD not spoiling his stories was a bad thing. I think it's the opposite that storyline with Siryn and Madrox baby was stronger because you didn't know what was going to happen going in. Rictor and Shatter finally kissing on panel was a more powerful moment because of the suprise factor. I don't think either would have been enjoyable if the reader knew what was going to happen going in. I think it's a huge problem with comics nowadays that we get told FAR too much in advance. You don't even need to read a book to follow what's going on anymore. Maybe I just took you up wrong. It might just be a matter of taste

Its an issue of taste and personal preference, as I was talking about before about Cleopatra I have six books that are realistic author designed versions of what happened in her life. They are almost like fanfics but based on the history that we know of and that has been written down. Its not that I don't on occasion like surprises, its that I put the story and the characterization first and like to have an idea of what I am getting into. I have been reading books based on historical figures as long as I can remember by the way.

No I don't perfer knowing everything that will be in a book or comic book, but I like having some kind of idea of what to expect before I delve in. Some fans and writers would perfer no spoilers or even solicits or covers. I respect there point of view on the issue. However, that is not me, I like to know a few things about a comic before I pick it up in generalities. Not that X, Y and Z will happen in a certain comic, but more like this character or that will be the focus of a certain comic and that character will be say on a road trip.

[salarta]

I don't think that's fair. Sometimes the suprise, the twist is the best part of the story. If you know exactly what's going to happen why bother reading something? This is exactly the problem I have with all those X-Men Origins stories, they seem so unnecessary to me.

Actually, that's been debunked, at least in results obtained so far (though admittedly, more needs to be done than what's currently there). Studies have been done, and the greater majority of people enjoy a story more if they know spoilers. The theory behind that reaction is that because the reader knows what's coming, they can see all the signs leading up to it and get immersed in the world more, instead of spending all their time uncertain of the next twist and staying on edge for any clues they can find for what's going to come next.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...poil-anything/

Good stories don't need to be focused on keeping important events a secret until you get to them. Good stories can keep you engaged even if you know all the big moments. I'm sure you've experienced this yourself at some point. Perhaps some big name movie that everyone revealed the ending and most climactic moments for but you still went to see it and enjoyed it anyway.

Perhaps alot of that comes from my background in history and two decades of reading history books that go over parts of history (all of which I already know) and I judge a book say based on Cleopatra based not on if there is anything new to be learned, but instead by how well the characters are depicted (and how close to the likely reality I think the author gets) and how well the character interaction is written.

And I know you know this if you're that read up on history, but to say it since other people may not know it, a lot of history is about who wrote it and their opinions on things. We may know "African Americans gained the right to vote," but perception of that changes between if the person relaying that history is a black man or a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

Likewise, "Lorna finds out more about her ties to her family" will come out differently depending on whether the person is a big fan of the character herself, if they're solely interested in her as Alex's girlfriend, if they have an ax to grind where they want to see her demoted to Claremont era treatment, etc.