Spider-Man as an Avenger

[One More Day]

He's far stronger than several of his teammates. He's by far perhaps the most experienced member of the team. And has made significantly more contributions to the team other than just using his webshooters. Such as the fight with the Super Adaptoid- it was he who managed to come up with the strategy that did her in.

The "street level" argument never makes much sense to me. He's not limited by his powers. He's limited by his resources. He doesn't have the same benefits as someone like Tony Stark who has the resources to make himself a hero that can travel all over the world. And don't even try to pretend that if heroes like Hawkeye or the Black Widow- if they left the Avengers- would even be prepared to dealing with the same level of threats they dealt with as a team. Hawkeye's not going to be tangling with Kang when he leaves. He's more likely to take on guys like Crossfire or Trickshot. More "street level" thugs, if you would.

Spidey, on the other had, HAS fought guys out of his wheelhouse. He's battled Dr. Hyde, Dr. Doom, the Juggernaut, been to outer space, met the Stranger, fought against Kang and Zarko the Tomorrow Man, and more. And that's not even considering the fact that most of his enemies are some of the strongest and most versatile villains of the Marvel U., who have also gone up against guys like Thor and the Hulk and proved a challenge in and of themselves. And these are guys Spidey tangles with on a regular basis.

So, sorry, no. He's not "street level." He's never been "street level." That's just a talking point people throw around when they have nothing else to bring up.

You seem to like Spidey. How come you never post on his forum?

[Ziggy Stardust]

As to Spidey being an Avenger.... how many Avengers besides Thor have beaten FIRELORD one-on-one!

*runs away

[Lascoden]

Hmm....Spidey as an Avenger. I honestly don't know how I feel about it. He is, without a doubt, my all-time favorite superhero. And one of the things I love about him, is his versatility. You can have him against mobster or aliens, and it can work. I like when he's written as an experienced hero. He's the guy that's seen it all. I think he can work in the Avengers. But, only if the writer were to use him properly. He's more then comedic relief. He's a genius, and is fantastic at improvising.

[Ziggy Stardust]

If we suppose that Peter is now roughly 15 tons in strength, before anyone scoffs, please recall that I believe that is the same level Starfox was routinely listed at.

[Nomads1]

If we suppose that Peter is now roughly 15 tons in strength, before anyone scoffs, please recall that I believe that is the same level Starfox was routinely listed at.

Yes, that's more or less what he (Starfox) was listed as. However, there is an issue of MTU, wher, even sick as a dog, Eros was way out of Pete's class. I put my money more in the 10 ton range for Spidey.

Peace

[Jota]

Yeah. Bendis has no desire whatsoever to write Spider-Man.

Lord only knows what sort of incriminating photos Joe Q had of Bendis to force him to write 100 plus issues of Ultimate Spider-Man all these years. Bendis clearly hates the character.

That's not the same character. Bendis gave 616 Spider-Man a very small part in the New Avengers, wrote him like a dumb man-child and refused to mention any plots happening in the Spider-Man solo, at the time.

[RDMacQ]

That's not the same character. Bendis gave 616 Spider-Man a very small part in the New Avengers, wrote him like a dumb man-child and refused to mention any plots happening in the Spider-Man solo, at the time.

I've read both Ultimate Spider-Man and the Avengers, and it's pretty damn close to the same character. Save for a few years of experience under Spidey's belt.

Spidey's role has hardly been small, given that he's been a part of the Avengers since Disassembled. He's used his brains a few times since he joined, most notably in stopping the Super Adaptoid. He's more neurotic than man-child. Plus, Spidey's main book is so screwed up continuity wise it's better to ignore it altogether rather than try and step into that quagmire. It's not Bendis fault Spidey's creative team threw continuity to the wind and would only feel like answering important questions when they felt like it.

[Zen-aku]

They mentioned Spider-island, and when ever spidey had a major costume change he would be wearing that costume in new Avengers

Spidey Wears the Black Suit because of aunt May - Spidey wears the black suit in NA

Spidey Goes back to red and blue cause of one more day - Spidey is wearing red and blue and they make it a plot point to have him reveal himself to the new Avengers

Spidey Joins the FF- Spidey Wears white in new Avengers

To say Bendis doesn't pay attention to what happens in ASM is a lie.

[Jota]

I've read both Ultimate Spider-Man and the Avengers, and it's pretty damn close to the same character. Save for a few years of experience under Spidey's belt.

Spidey's role has hardly been small, given that he's been a part of the Avengers since Disassembled. He's used his brains a few times since he joined, most notably in stopping the Super Adaptoid. He's more neurotic than man-child. Plus, Spidey's main book is so screwed up continuity wise it's better to ignore it altogether rather than try and step into that quagmire. It's not Bendis fault Spidey's creative team threw continuity to the wind and would only feel like answering important questions when they felt like it.

Spidey doning the black suit after Aunt May was shot, in what was a very dark period of his life and Bendis still writing him as the team's jokester on the Avengers, looked very awkward. He doesn't need to mention everything that happens in the Spider-Man books, but something as big as that needs to have some impact in his other appearances, or we might as well not have a shared universe. Bendis could and should have laid of the jokes during that period. This way, it looked like Bendis didn't care about what other writers did with the character. In fact, when asked about that, Bendis just said, IIRC, that the NA wasn't the place to write about those issues. Come on, man! He didn't have to write a story about that, but recognizing that the character was going through those big changes was the least he could do. Just don't have him look so chearfull after his aunt was shot. I think that's not to much to ask.

[RDMacQ]

Spidey doning the black suit after Aunt May was shot, in what was a very dark period of his life and Bendis still writing him as the team's jokester on the Avengers, looked very awkward. He doesn't need to mention everything that happens in the Spider-Man books, but something as big as that needs to have some impact in his other appearances, or we might as well not have a shared universe. Bendis could and should have laid of the jokes during that period. This way, it looked like Bendis didn't care about what other writers did with the character. In fact, when asked about that, Bendis just said, IIRC, that the NA wasn't the place to write about those issues. Come on, man! He didn't have to write a story about that, but recognizing that the character was going through those big changes was the least he could do. Just don't have him look so chearfull after his aunt was shot. I think that's not to much to ask.

Again, as I stated, given the mess the Spider-Books were (and still are) I think not mentioning it was perhaps the only logical route to go. Especially since the New Avengers were already screwed thanks to Civil War and Secret Invasion kind of hijacking the direction he was going in.

[RDMacQ]

They mentioned Spider-island, and when ever spidey had a major costume change he would be wearing that costume in new Avengers

Spidey Wears the Black Suit because of aunt May - Spidey wears the black suit in NA

Spidey Goes back to red and blue cause of one more day - Spidey is wearing red and blue and they make it a plot point to have him reveal himself to the new Avengers

Spidey Joins the FF- Spidey Wears white in new Avengers

To say Bendis doesn't pay attention to what happens in ASM is a lie.

He's just not going to touch on stuff that even Spidey's writers haven't figured out yet.

[Zen-aku]

Spidey doning the black suit after Aunt May was shot, in what was a very dark period of his life and Bendis still writing him as the team's jokester on the Avengers, looked very awkward. He doesn't need to mention everything that happens in the Spider-Man books, but something as big as that needs to have some impact in his other appearances, or we might as well not have a shared universe. Bendis could and should have laid of the jokes during that period. This way, it looked like Bendis didn't care about what other writers did with the character. In fact, when asked about that, Bendis just said, IIRC, that the NA wasn't the place to write about those issues. Come on, man! He didn't have to write a story about that, but recognizing that the character was going through those big changes was the least he could do. Just don't have him look so chearfull after his aunt was shot. I think that's not to much to ask.

You do realize that Spider-man uses his Jokes to cover his pain right?

When he was running with the NA he made some quips but he was far less jovial, part of that was because he was also dealing with cap's death (they all were) and felt really guilty about what he did during civil war.

and out side of that the only other thing that should have any effect on spider-man when he was with the NA was One more day which was addressed and dealt with.

[Jota]

They mentioned Spider-island, and when ever spidey had a major costume change he would be wearing that costume in new Avengers

Spidey Wears the Black Suit because of aunt May - Spidey wears the black suit in NA

But he keeps acting exactly as he was before. Cracking jokes and everything while he was in one of the worst periods of his life. It looked really awkward.

Spidey Goes back to red and blue cause of one more day - Spidey is wearing red and blue and they make it a plot point to have him reveal himself to the new Avengers

That's true but, if I may play the devil's advocate, that story idea came from his boss. I don't believe even Bendis would get away with ignoring OMD and not get fired.

Spidey Joins the FF- Spidey Wears white in new Avengers

And, again, he's the exact same character. I don't read FF. Did his relationship with Thing changed at all in that book? Because they act exactly the same in NA. Parker acts exactly the same. He just has a diferent costume.

[Jota]

You do realize that Spider-man uses his Jokes to cover his pain right?

When he was running with the NA he made some quips but he was far less jovial, part of that was because he was also dealing with cap's death (they all were) and felt really guilty about what he did during civil war.

and out side of that the only other thing that should have any effect on spider-man when he was with the NA was One more day which was addressed and dealt with.

He usually does that, but during that period, he wasn't doing that. He was beating the crap out of people, he was breaking bones and he was not chearfull in the least. He was in a Batman fase. That's why he shouldn't have been joking in the NA, because he wasn't doing it in his books.

[Zen-aku]

But he keeps acting exactly as he was before. Cracking jokes and everything while he was in one of the worst periods of his life. It looked really awkward.

again spider-man has always used humor to cover up his real emotions, he isn't gonna be emo with the NA cause he needs them to know he's on his game, additionally i'm sure he loved running with the NA at that time so he could distance him self from what he was dealing with even if it was for a few hours

That's true but, if I may play the devil's advocate, that story idea came from his boss. I don't believe even Bendis would get away with ignoring OMD and not get fired.

if he wanted to he could of. it wouldn't have been hard. First chance he got thogh he pissed on the concept by having spidey take his mask off to them, and he did that befor they touched on the subject in the actual spidey-book

And, again, he's the exact same character. I don't read FF. Did his relationship with Thing changed at all in that book. Because they act exactly the same in NA. Parker acts exactly the same. He just has a diferent costume.

Parker didn't change when he joined the FF, so why would he change in NA?