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And what you're saying is stupid. You discredit an opinion because you disagree with it. You're ignorant cause you dont get that this thread was asking the opinions of people on the subject.
And yea, there is a HUGE difference. The whole POINT of Spider-Man is that hes NOT supposed to be this big huge superhero. Hes supposed to be a hero centered in his home city of New York, not an interstellar travelling, international superhero.
And yes, Spider-man is centerpiece of the Marvel universe which has overridden any city boundaries. Go read some old comics from his Marvel Team-Up days and you'll see him going into space, other dimensions, back in time teaming up with everyone from the Micronauts to the Silver Surfer. Trying to pin him down as some street level character like the Punisher is a little silly given his history.
Besides, I think that the "Spider-Man is an everyman" argument is bull, myself. He's sympathetic, but I don't think his life is representative of the "everyman." Especially not recently.
The only thing Spider-Man was supposed to be was a 7 page strip in the last issue of an anthology comic. Everything after that is just added on.
At this point, I don't think anyone can argue there is such a thing as a wrong setting for either Wolverine or Spider-Man.
On any given day, they can team up with any given hero in any given situation to face any given threat. On a given week, Spidey can spend Monday helping DD take down the Kingpin, Tuesday helping the Avengers save Asgard, and Wednesday selling hotdog on the corner to help pay the rent. Such is the life of the Amazing Spider-Man.
You can arguably attribute that more to them being cash cows than anything else, but the fact still remains that they can and they do.
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In other words, what StoneGold said.
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Spidey is a great addition to the avengers -- one of the few people on the team who actually has problems. Bucky and Clint are both more or less baseline humans, but both are also far into spy/criminal suff that they are more or less heroing all the time. Spidey has to, you know, work, get a date, visit aunt may (mephisto damn her wrinkled old soul). Which is great, because he's actually a powered individual.
I think he is a great addition to the team, and that he actually fits perfectly and has great potential (not that he has been really used like that, oddly part of his potential as a team member was on CW, such a controversial event). Powerwise, and even moral wise, he is very unique, his spider sense, the fact that he is brilliant (when writers don't forget it) and also a considerably fast and powerful hand to hand fighter make him a good spy that is also good on doing some nasty damage, crowd control and taking some damage. He is one of those people you have to have, he can cover almost anyone who is absent, unless the task is really power, or level, specific.
Being an Avenger doesn't make him any less a Manhattan hero. It is not like he has to be at the Avengers HQ and be doing avengery things 100% of the time. Was it like that, Batman couldn't be on the JLA. And he is much more Gotham compulsive than Peter is with Manhattan, doesn't compare, but he still work on the JLA. Global crises, or some cases where Pete is one very well qualified member to go are situations where he would never say 'No, have to watch Manhattan, kthx bai'. There was one time he left a thief go when he could have stopped him/made the difference and that didn't end very well, it kinda marked his life too deep to forget.
I'm not neccisarily against Spiderman on the Avengers. In alot of ways hes a logical addition. In terms of abilities, he fits in. He has amazing talents, strength, and speed. Compared to say, Hawkeye or several other heroes, he's qualified. In terms of character, he's qualified as well. He's probably more morally grounded than anyone on the team except Cap. And he's immensely popular. On paper, if I were to create a superhero team of Earth's Mightiest Heroes, he fits the bill pretty well.
But personally, I like spidey a bit more when he goes solo. I think it brings out the best in Peter, and how he gets beaten down but still has the happy go luck attitude. And also, the very imagery of him swinging through New York cant be translated to everywhere the Avengers go. I don't think his style matches perfectly on such a big scale superteam. His imagery, personality, and backstory work better when he's Spidey. When he's an Avenger, it feels like he should be on top. But thats not Spidey.
So yeah, Spidey the Avenger does make sense and works in many ways. But I just prefer it when he's in his own little world, doing Spidey-things. Either way works, really.
But nobody ever accused the Avengers of just being in it for the money that I can recall. It was just something that was done so that they could be heroes pretty much full-time.