CBR: Cup O' Joe - Jul 1, 2011

[ian33407]

I like Jeff Parker, but you think he can make anything a hit? Where did that Agents of Atlas book go? And that's something he really liked. Now you're going to force him to write something he may not really care about, and expect it to be successful?

well, AoA weren't for sure proeminent figures, MM isn't neither -though a little more..and the AoA book also ended in the hands of people who recognized the quality of his work, so if Parker didn't make a hit with AoA, a lot of people agreed about of his potential.

And not only will I force him to write MM and all the characters I like, but I will also take in hostage his family, his pets, all his friends (even the Facebook ones) his car and his X-Box if necessary..What the hell do you think I'm doing here ? Do you think I'm here for kidding ?

Fanatism apart, I'd refer to what I already said : it depends if you're a writer or not.
One of the first thing you learn in writing-class (and/or story-telling class) is to appropriating your self every kind of constraint, because the first story you will have to write for hire isn't especially the one you would wish. But isn't everything in life a matter of choices, eh ?

[DownInAHole]

I don't think that Tom or Lauren did a very good job of selling readers on the new Captain America and Bucky book. I'm guessing that the book will just be a flashback to World War II which does not interest me so I'm dropping it. Maybe I'm wrong and there is more to the book than just flashbacks but you wouldn't know it from the way Marvel are promoting it.

[Will.S]

I don't think that Tom or Lauren did a very good job of selling readers on the new Captain America and Bucky book. I'm guessing that the book will just be a flashback to World War II which does not interest me so I'm dropping it. Maybe I'm wrong and there is more to the book than just flashbacks but you wouldn't know it from the way Marvel are promoting it.

I think their no-selling was mostly due to them not wanting to spoil that Bucky, in actuality, is returning and the book will go into a weird chronological Bucky perspective story before showing us that he is indeed back.

I'll be checking it out personally due to what I think will be a full come back from Fear Itself and in general I'm a big fan of Ed and Marc's work but the way the book has been marketed and the way the story is starting seems completely at odds with what current fans of Bucky would want to see more of.

[Hrist]

Okay just how many Buckies are still alive today in the Marvel Universe ?

I bet it has more to do with the other Winter Soldier-esque operatives revealed in #619.

Maybe Steve's gonna find them?

[Prince Of Orphans]

"Speaking of old titles, Prince Of Orphans wanted to know, "Since Journey into Mystery was brought back, will Tales of Suspense take over any title? Will Captain America and Bucky ever change its title to Tales of Suspense?"

Brevoort: This kind of goes back to one of the points I was talking about earlier, Prince. The name "Tales Of Suspense" has some specific relevance to us, because we remember it as the series in which Iron Man debuted and Cap got his first Marvel-era series. That’s nostalgia. But as an actual title, unless you were doing a series that was dedicated to telling tales providing suspense specifically, it’s not a title that means anything to anybody today.

The same thing is really true of "Journey Into Myster," though writer Kieron Gillen took it as his personal challenge to make that title relevant to the stories he’s telling within that series. But it’s a nostalgia play, nothing more. So I don’t think it’s especially likely that you’ll see us transform "Cap And Bucky" into "Tales Of Suspense." It’s not unlikely that we might transform it into something else at a certain point, but it’d have to be a title that got across the concept of the series to the audience today."

Yay! Question answered :D. I could easily see Tales of Suspense coming back one day specifically to tell spy and black ops stories. Nick Fury, Bucky Barnes, Howling Commandos. Nostalgia + relevance. Win-win.

Not sure how i feel about Cap and Bucky possibly being about a bunch of Buckys. My only interest lies with Bucky Barnes, but whatever. If Bru can make me interested in the other Buckys, more power to him. I'm sure if there is one writer who can make me care about them, it's him.

[steve2275]

The first Schism preview page in the article is by Frank Cho, not Terry Dodson.

he actually got COLOSSUS's height right

[Jimmy Holograph]

Not sure how i feel about Cap and Bucky possibly being about a bunch of Buckys. My only interest lies with Bucky Barnes, but whatever. If Bru can make me interested in the other Buckys, more power to him. I'm sure if there is one writer who can make me care about them, it's him.

One of the pages during Gulag showed a row of Winter Soldiers in suspended animation tanks... I know it was intended as a Steranko homage, but part of me was intrigued. Given what we know about the MU Soviets, I wouldn't be all that surprised.

[jackolover]

"Speaking of old titles, Prince Of Orphans wanted to know, "Since Journey into Mystery was brought back, will Tales of Suspense take over any title? Will Captain America and Bucky ever change its title to Tales of Suspense?"

Brevoort: This kind of goes back to one of the points I was talking about earlier, Prince. The name "Tales Of Suspense" has some specific relevance to us, because we remember it as the series in which Iron Man debuted and Cap got his first Marvel-era series. That’s nostalgia. But as an actual title, unless you were doing a series that was dedicated to telling tales providing suspense specifically, it’s not a title that means anything to anybody today.

The same thing is really true of "Journey Into Myster," though writer Kieron Gillen took it as his personal challenge to make that title relevant to the stories he’s telling within that series. But it’s a nostalgia play, nothing more. So I don’t think it’s especially likely that you’ll see us transform "Cap And Bucky" into "Tales Of Suspense." It’s not unlikely that we might transform it into something else at a certain point, but it’d have to be a title that got across the concept of the series to the audience today."

Yay! Question answered :D. I could easily see Tales of Suspense coming back one day specifically to tell spy and black ops stories. Nick Fury, Bucky Barnes, Howling Commandos. Nostalgia + relevance. Win-win.

Not sure how i feel about Cap and Bucky possibly being about a bunch of Buckys. My only interest lies with Bucky Barnes, but whatever. If Bru can make me interested in the other Buckys, more power to him. I'm sure if there is one writer who can make me care about them, it's him.

Journey Into Mystery? They should have put Hickmans SHIELD, Secret Warriors and FF straight into that, because I still haven't worked out what the hell he's talking about.

[DownInAHole]

I think their no-selling was mostly due to them not wanting to spoil that Bucky, in actuality, is returning and the book will go into a weird chronological Bucky perspective story before showing us that he is indeed back.

I'll be checking it out personally due to what I think will be a full come back from Fear Itself and in general I'm a big fan of Ed and Marc's work but the way the book has been marketed and the way the story is starting seems completely at odds with what current fans of Bucky would want to see more of.

Maybe, but these event deaths tend to stick, at least for a few years.

I'm also not crazy when Marvel rebrand an existing book (Incredible Hulk becoming Incredible Hercules, Daredevil becoming Black Panther et cetera). It feels like they are trying to "trick" readers into buying the book due to the fact that it continues the numbering of a more popular book/character. If the books are good they should be able to launch without any gimmicks.

It's great that we have trades to fall back on. If the book does end up featuring the return of Bucky and ties into the present I will just pick up the trade. I might have stuck with the book if the new Captain America book was $2.99 but with Marvel double shipping so many titles, and several of those titles being $3.99, cuts need to be made somewhere.

[RolandJP]

I think Marvel/DC Movies has a serious chance of backlash. From what I have seen..with Iron Man 2, Hulk 2 and Green Lantern...the a-list is being forced on Movie audiences and they aren't buying.

Like comic readers, all they want is a GREAT story and cool action. Both Comic companies are trotting out heroes on film like they are super hero royalty with nothing to back them up on screen.

Make sure the story is solid and something people will find interesting first then worry about who's on screen. As it sits Furious Five was/is more profitable than Thor, X-men First Class, Watchmen and Green lantern.

Fast Five Budget $125
Domestic Gross--$207 Worldwide--$596


Thor Budget $150 Millions
Domestic Gross--$177 Worldwide--$437

X-men First Class Budget $160
Domestic Gross--$135 Worldwide--$322

Green Lantern Budget $200 Million
Domestic Gross--$95 Worldwide--$129

Which is why I found Tom B's comments about audience reactions to titles as critical in so much that --publishers will only push characters for so long if they see diminishing returns. It didnt stop 2 BAD Punisher Movies from being made. Elektra or Ghost Rider. I think some titles need to be on life support--sort of like DC Comics Scalped. Or any of the excellent Dark Horse comic titles.

[Mr MajestiK]

I think Marvel/DC Movies has a serious chance of backlash. From what I have seen..with Iron Man 2, Hulk 2 and Green Lantern...the a-list is being forced on Movie audiences and they aren't buying.

Like comic readers, all they want is a GREAT story and cool action. Both Comic companies are trotting out heroes on film like they are super hero royalty with nothing to back them up on screen.

Make sure the story is solid and something people will find interesting first then worry about who's on screen. As it sits Furious Five was/is more profitable than Thor, X-men First Class, Watchmen and Green lantern.

Fast Five Budget $125
Domestic Gross--$207 Worldwide--$596


Thor Budget $150 Millions
Domestic Gross--$177 Worldwide--$437

X-men First Class Budget $160
Domestic Gross--$135 Worldwide--$322

Green Lantern Budget $200 Million
Domestic Gross--$95 Worldwide--$129

Which is why I found Tom B's comments about audience reactions to titles as critical in so much that --publishers will only push characters for so long if they see diminishing returns. It didnt stop 2 BAD Punisher Movies from being made. Elektra or Ghost Rider. I think some titles need to be on life support--sort of like DC Comics Scalped. Or any of the excellent Dark Horse comic titles.

The same arrogance that fuels much of the comic book output from the so-called "Big Two" also informs movies based on some of the intellectual properties owned by both companies.

The first two Blade movies did very well with very little (if any) publicity but they are for the most part rarely cited by industry insiders when big budget comic book movies (specifically from Marvel) are being discussed.

[Kasper Cole]

The same arrogance that fuels much of the comic book output from the so-called "Big Two" also informs movies based on some of the intellectual properties owned by both companies.

The first two Blade movies did very well with very little (if any) publicity but they are for the most part rarely cited by industry insiders when big budget comic book movies (specifically from Marvel) are being discussed.

I don't know if I'd agree with that. Blade is constantly cited as opening the door for the X-Men and Spider-Man movies. I think a lot of it depends on who's talking about the subject. The people behind the Marvel films say it often, others might not even know Blade is based on a comic book character.

[Mr MajestiK]

I don't know if I'd agree with that. Blade is constantly cited as opening the door for the X-Men and Spider-Man movies. I think a lot of it depends on who's talking about the subject. The people behind the Marvel films say it often, others might not even know Blade is based on a comic book character.

I've rarely seen Blade associated with the resurgance in popularity for movies based on Marvel characters.

The Spiderman movies usually get cited way more than Blade's cinematic debut as being systematically responsible for the surge.

[Kasper Cole]

I've rarely seen Blade associated with the resurgance in popularity for movies based on Marvel characters.

The Spiderman movies usually get cited way more than Blade's cinematic debut as being systematically responsible for the surge.

As I said it depends on who's talking about the subject. The people behind the films (like Avi Arad) often cite Blade as kicking things off.

A couple more reasons it might not be brought up as much by others is that Blade wasn't a major studio release and was nearly a complete re-imagining. Much of what we identify as Blade from the films is Wesley Snipes doing.

[Prince Of Orphans]

One of the pages during Gulag showed a row of Winter Soldiers in suspended animation tanks... I know it was intended as a Steranko homage, but part of me was intrigued. Given what we know about the MU Soviets, I wouldn't be all that surprised.

I think he was referring to the Buckys throughout history, like Jack Monroe and Battlestar.

Although those Soviet Super Soldiers would be an awesome premise for Tales of Suspense.