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    Curse those Arabs and their "culture of death":


    Oman 0.7
    United Arab Emirates 0.8
    Qatar 0.9
    Saudi Arabia 1.0
    Tunisia 1.1
    Morocco 1.4
    Jordan 1.8
    Iraq 2.0
    Israel 2.1
    Lebanon 2.2
    Kuwait 2.2
    Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 2.9
    Syrian Arab Republic 3.0
    Turkey 3.3
    Occupied Palestinian Territory 4.1
    Yemen 4.2

    United States of America 5

    Homicide rate per 100,000 persons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    Yeah, it's just one of those things "everybody knows" like Jews being tight with money; or Blacks being stupid or Asian women having sideways vaginas.
    Your words, not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    Curse those Arabs and their "culture of death":


    Oman 0.7
    United Arab Emirates 0.8
    Qatar 0.9
    Saudi Arabia 1.0
    Tunisia 1.1
    Morocco 1.4
    Jordan 1.8
    Iraq 2.0
    Israel 2.1
    Lebanon 2.2
    Kuwait 2.2
    Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 2.9
    Syrian Arab Republic 3.0
    Turkey 3.3
    Occupied Palestinian Territory 4.1
    Yemen 4.2

    United States of America 5

    Homicide rate per 100,000 persons
    This doesn't really answer my question but it does point out that humanity itself has always been about killing each other. The "culture of death" is alive and well in all parts of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    Yeah, it's just one of those things "everybody knows" like Jews being tight with money; or Blacks being stupid or Asian women having sideways vaginas.
    I just want to say that I think you misunderstood my post. I was being sarcastic. As in "everybody seems to know what was on the minds of the Iraq Ministry" when the truth is you or I don't know any better than anyone else. It had nothing to do with stupid blacks, greedy jews or sideways vaginas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumdrop Man View Post
    This doesn't really answer my question but it does point out that humanity itself has always been about killing each other. The "culture of death" is alive and well in all parts of the world.
    Especially in the good old U.S. of A..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumdrop Man View Post
    I just want to say that I think you misunderstood my post. I was being sarcastic. As in "everybody seems to know what was on the minds of the Iraq Ministry" when the truth is you or I don't know any better than anyone else. It had nothing to do with stupid blacks, greedy jews or sideways vaginas.
    Sorry, I misread your intent.
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    An United States service member walked out of a military base in a rural district of southern Afghanistan on Sunday and opened fire on three nearby houses, killing at least 15 civilians, local villagers and provincial officials said.
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    So is this:

    a. proof that Americans are abnormally violent people or

    b. one individual who cracked under incredible pressure and committed a terrible act?


    Now imagine instead it's an Afghan who killed 15 Americans.

    Same two options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serik View Post
    When shit gets tough, isn't blaming some outgroup (Jews, the disabled, blacks, the poor, etc.) for society's problems a rather standard trick? What's most outrageous isn't that some prick politician or newspaper columnist is actually saying this stuff, but that a sufficient number of people nod their heads in agreement and therefore make such sentiments dangerous. (Put another way, and to use an American example, I'm more terrified of Rush Limbaugh's listeners than Rush Limbaugh.)

    Of course, if these people were actually concerned about minimizing fraud, they'd work behind-the-scenes with the program administrators instead of publicly taking a shit all over the disabled and making their lives that much more difficult.
    The thing is DLA only has a 0.5% rate of fraud and is seriously regulated. Other benefits the disabled recieve are the most heavily regulated in the UK because you need to get a report signed by a doctor, and although there is a higher rate of fraud (about the 3 or 4 % mark) what the Tories and The Sun have done is focus on these few cases and suggest all disabled people are 'scrounging' apart from the few 'genuinely' disabled.

    The truth is that yes, the disabled are an easy target but it's also a campaign designed to deflect attention from the government's own failings and it's continued support for the people who dropped us in this recession in the first place.

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    Remember how Cameron was talking about privatising some police front line services as a trial? Well, obviously the plans to cut 999 staff isn't a set-up for further privatisation at all!

    The number of police dealing with 999 emergencies has fallen by more than 5,000 since the last general election, according to new figures that seriously undermine David Cameron's pledge to be defending "frontline" forces from spending cuts.

    The figures, compiled from responses to freedom of information requests from all 43 forces in England and Wales, are a severe embarrassment to the government, which has insisted that its 20% funding cuts will not compromise public safety or the fight against crime.

    Labour described the job losses among so-called "first responders" – those following up on 999 calls – as "shocking" and said they raised new questions about whether the public could trust the government.

    Only last month Cameron told the Commons that the percentage of frontline officers was actually increasing. Ministers have claimed more officers are being switched to the "sharp end" as back office jobs go and police bureaucracy is reduced. But the new data, supplied by the forces themselves and verified independently by the House of Commons library, shows a fall of 5,261 in the number of officers defined as "first responders" between March 2010 and December last year.

    Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary defines "first responders" as those responding to 999 calls, attending traffic accidents and being first at the scenes of crime and other incidents such as public disturbances.

    Of the 43 forces, 23 have so far only submitted figures up to March last year in their FOI responses, meaning that, when all the figures are in, the total is likely to be significantly higher.

    Among forces that have suffered the biggest culls of 999 officers are Devon and Cornwall, which lost 540 "first responders" (25% of its total), and West Midlands, which lost 1,023 (19%).

    Paul McKeever, chairman of the Police Federation, which represents 135,000 officers, said the impact of the cuts would raise questions about the police's ability to contain events such as last summer's riots. "It puts more pressure on those who are left. In particular, those involved in responding are stretched and it puts their safety on the line," he said.

    "It also impinges on the public's safety. We keep getting the same mantra from government, that it wants to concentrate on crime, that it's a core responsibility, and that's sending one message to the public. The message is that they expect us to do everything, which cannot be right. We have to acknowledge that, with cuts of between 20% and 32%, we cannot do more with that much less."

    Yvette Cooper, shadow home secretary, whose office made the freedom of information requests, said: "Time and again the government has promised us the frontline will not be cut but now we see very clear proof that the very officers that need to respond to 999 calls, that need to respond to emergency incidents, are disappearing. To lose thousands of the very officers that you need in an emergency will be deeply worrying for people right across the country. People need to know that the police will be there when they need them."

    A Home Office spokesman said: "These are not official figures and we don't recognise them. The reality is independent reports have shown police can reduce costs while protecting the frontline and, according to official statistics and police plans, the proportion of officers on the frontline is rising.

    "We've reversed the policies of the past to get police out of back-office roles and back on the streets. Official figures show that since March 2010 we've seen 500 more officers on the frontline as work is done across all 43 forces to reduce the more than 23,500 warranted police officers in backroom posts."

    The FOI submissions are certain to catapult the issue of policing and crime to the top of the political agenda, after the latest British Crime Survey figures showed personal crime – including theft, robbery and violence – had gone up by 11% since last year, the steepest rise for more than a decade. The home affairs select committee raised concerns last year about the effects that 2bn of cuts a year would have on the service and on crime levels. The committee also raised concerns that the biggest savings were to be made in 2012-3 – when police authorities would be replaced with police and crime commissioners, and when there would be additional pressure on forces nationwide due to the 2012 Olympics.

    Last year the police minister, Nick Herbert, said: "We believe that by controlling costs, cutting bureaucracy, making savings in force back and middle offices, and improving productivity, the police service for the public can be maintained and improved even as funding is reduced."

    Other ministers have repeatedly said that crime and police effectiveness "do not depend on numbers".

    Cooper said that policing could well become as big a political crisis for the government in the runup to the next election as the NHS. Like the NHS, the government was about to impose massive and unwelcome reform on a service that the public believed had improved, even at a time of massive spending cuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goggindowner View Post
    Yeah, lots of wars all over the place through history. Difference is that now, in the modern age, Europe has moved on to a culture of unity and cooperation, where as the Middle East has not.
    and it's not helped by fundamentalists that take the dominant religion and use it to oppress peoples throughout the region

    I haven't seen anybody in this discussion suggest that about Arabs, either. Any one who even suggests that isn't worth having a conversation with about the subject. Are you attempting to imply that this is what I meant?
    just to clarify, my statement had nothing to do with anyone being a savage or being racially motivated...but looking at what has happened in that part of the world throughout its history
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post



    just to clarify, my statement had nothing to do with anyone being a savage or being racially motivated...but looking at what has happened in that part of the world throughout its history
    What Ian tried to make you see unsuccessfully is that there is already an inherent racism in that, as other parts of the world, including Europe, have been at least as bad and you don't have to go back that long for it.
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    Speaking of the Middle East:

    The protesters began marching along a main road near the city on Friday in response to a call from leading Shia cleric Sheikh Isa Qassim who urged people to renew their calls for greater democracy.

    Tens of thousands of Bahrainis have demonstrated outside the capital Manama to demand political reforms, a year after the Gulf Arab state crushed an uprising, witnesses said.

    A live blog showed images of the protesters carrying banners denouncing "dictatorship" and demanding the release of detainees.

    "We are here for the sake of our just demands that we cannot make concessions over and we stick with them because we have sacrificed for them," Qassim said before the march, during his weekly sermon in the Shia village of Diraz.

    A photographer with the Reuters news agency said the main Budaiya road in the area of Diraz, and Saar, west of Manama was packed, just one hour before the protest was set to begin.


    "It is the biggest demonstration in the past year. I would say it could be over 100,000," he said.

    Nabeel Rajab, president of the Bahrain Centre for Human Rights, told Al Jazeera by phone from Manama that "thousands of security forces" had been deployed to close down roads leading to the protest site.

    "The message is that people are not happy with the government. We have clear demands: an elected government, a parliament with power, an end to sectarian discrimination, a clear redistribution of wealth and power and all demands guaranteed by the international convention on human rights," he said.
    Pro-government Sunni groups have organised counter rallies, warning the authorities not to enter into a dialogue on reforms that could give the elected parliament legislative clout and the power to form governments.

    Those groups look to Sunni power Saudi Arabia as a key ally and say the opposition is loyal to Shia Iran, a charge the opposition parties deny. Analysts say Riyadh does not want Bahrain to agree to reforms that empower Shias
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goggindowner View Post
    Then you will also remember that that "conflict" was largely between the US and USSR, with European states outside of Soviet control all basically being on the same page.

    Spain, Portugal, and Greece were dictatorships for part of the Cold War, and most of the ex-empires fought vicious wars overseas to keep their colonies. Let's not get too starry-eyed.

    Belarus and the remnants of Yugoslavia are excluded from the EU, the European Council, and just about every other European continental government.
    Croatia is going to become part of the EU; Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia are EU candidates; all of ex-Yugoslavia but Kosovo are in the Council of Europe; and all-but-Kosovo and Belarus are members of the Organisation for Security and Co-Operation in Europe.
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    The Catholic Churches are still making a fuss over the horrrifying idea of us changing our marriage laws like Canada, Spain et al have, so those dreaded poofs can have it too.
    there are signs that the barrage of protest might be having an effect on ministers.

    The Catholic journal The Tablet reports that the question of whether gay marriage should be allowed at all will now be included in the government's public consultation on the issue expected shortly.

    Previously the consultation was to have been more about how it would be introduced.
    The Church of England, on the other hand, is having some division between ayes and nays:

    Others, such as the new Dean of St Paul's, Dr David Ison, say that "the Church doesn't own marriage".

    In his first public statements since being appointed to what has become a very prominent position, Dr Ison called on the Church to perform gay marriages.

    Dr Ison conducted ceremonies of support and prayer for gay couples' civil partnerships in his last job as Dean of Bradford and said he would be happy to do the same thing at St Paul's.

    He insisted that the Church should accept that marriage was the best way for relationships to flourish for all couples, whether homosexual or heterosexual.
    Whether the churches can rally enough people to stop this is debatable. The tide of history is against them here and the UK has already seen civil partnership causing no problems at all.
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    The Lib Dems take a lengthy piss on the NHS reforms.

    Lib Dem activists have voted at their spring conference to oppose government changes to its controversial bill to reform the NHS in England.

    The party leadership lost a vote on the issue in Gateshead by 314 to 270.

    The decision is not binding on the government, but BBC correspondent Norman Smith said it was a major setback for the Lib Dem leadership.

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    Mr Clegg has argued his party has secured major concessions to the bill and it should now become law.

    But party activists rejected the proposed changes to the Health and Social Care Bill - including safeguards on the role of the private sector and the extent of competition in the health service - in a motion put forward by Lib Dem peer Baroness Williams.

    Party members voted to delete the section of the motion expressing support for the government's NHS concessions - effectively signalling their opposition to the bill as a whole.
    One prominent Lib Dem critic of the bill, Dr Charles West, told the BBC that the vote would "empower" Lib Dem MPs and peers to reject the bill completely.

    "This bill was never in the coalition agreement," he said.

    "Nick Clegg has now got a very strong weapon in his negotiations with David Cameron. So we've actually empowered Nick Clegg, we've empowered our MPs and peers, and we've empowered Liberal Democrats."
    At this point, Clegg has a hell of a mandate to go against the bill - he's got his party, opposition parties, the Lords, the Royal Colleges, NHS staff, parts of the public....

    Whether he actually will is the question. I doubt it.
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