Ultimate Spider-Man Cartoon

[MarvelMaster616]

Don't get me wrong, I have fond nostalgia of the 90's series, but in no way it was "refined or mature". The characters barely developed: Peter would usually mope all the time about being Spider-Man with no change, Madame Web and Anna Watson were one-dimensional harpies, Mary Jane was annoying, Eddie Brock was just an angry brute, etc. It would have appeared that Kingpin would have had some character development when his wife left him, instead he becomes a more stereotypical bad guy, with unfitting evil laughs and no mention of it again.

I don't even want to mention the heavy censorship for a show that was supposed to be more mature than Spectacular.

You make some valid points. I agree that the 90s series was a product of it's time. It couldn't be but so mature. But within that context, I think it was a lot more refined. If you take a series like Spectacular and compare to other contemporary animation properties like X-men Evolution, Wolverine and the X-men, and Avengers I think the difference is pretty clear. These shows had more depth to them and a more mature feel without it coming off as more than a kids show. I think Spectacular missed out on a lot of opportunities and was too limited in scope and scale. That and not having a stable network didn't help. I think Ultimate Spider-Man will benefit from having Disney XD to carry it along. By including it with Avengers, it has the scope and scale to become more than Spectacular Spider-Man could ever hope to be. Plus, it has Bendis involved. I think that alone helps the story a great deal.

[Nyanasaur]

Seeing as how the Death of Spider-man, resulted with the death of Spider-man, how in the world is Marvel going to have Peter Parker in the Ultimate Spider-man Animated series? Or is there going to be no Peter Parker in that series.

The other problem is that the USM animated series is apparently Peter Parker's transition from cheap hobo superhero to super premium SHIELD material. However, it was covered in only a couple issues and to have an entire animated series dedicated to becoming filler crap is just stupid.

I cross my fingers, close my eyes, and pray that Peter Parker is coming back to Ultimate Spider-man. Somehow, someway, that relic/artifact Black Cat had is going to bring him back.

Could this seemingly 'early' (early as in eons before the end of DoSM) announcement of the USM animated series be a potential spoiler for the future of USM?

[Kurolegacy]

Well the series itself is partially based on Ultimate Spider-Man with it's own material. In fact it's rumored that this doesn't even exist in the Ultimate Universe but instead in the Avengers EMH Universe.

While I do find it a bit odd to have an animated series based on a person who is dead in the comics, and I hope they bring Peter back one day, I don't think this points directly to a future revival.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

You make some valid points. I agree that the 90s series was a product of it's time. It couldn't be but so mature. But within that context, I think it was a lot more refined. If you take a series like Spectacular and compare to other contemporary animation properties like X-men Evolution, Wolverine and the X-men, and Avengers I think the difference is pretty clear. These shows had more depth to them and a more mature feel without it coming off as more than a kids show. I think Spectacular missed out on a lot of opportunities and was too limited in scope and scale. That and not having a stable network didn't help. I think Ultimate Spider-Man will benefit from having Disney XD to carry it along. By including it with Avengers, it has the scope and scale to become more than Spectacular Spider-Man could ever hope to be. Plus, it has Bendis involved. I think that alone helps the story a great deal.

I'm curious: What opportunities do you think Spectacular missed? Could you provide some examples of them?

[Balfro]

Well, there are an infinite number of universe' in the Multiverse. There are at least 5 separate Ultimate Universe' existing within the Multiverse. Peter Parker is only dead in one of them, the main one.

So, sure, a lot of people, especially children, won't understand how the multiverse works but for all intents and purposes even if this series is based off of the UU it makes perfect sense why this Spider-Man is Peter Parker and ours isn't.

[Drz]

Well the series itself is partially based on Ultimate Spider-Man with it's own material. In fact it's rumored that this doesn't even exist in the Ultimate Universe but instead in the Avengers EMH Universe.

While I do find it a bit odd to have an animated series based on a person who is dead in the comics, and I hope they bring Peter back one day, I don't think this points directly to a future revival.

It's not a rumour, just alot of people assuming things and thus believing it must be real.

[Nyanasaur]

Well the series itself is partially based on Ultimate Spider-Man with it's own material. In fact it's rumored that this doesn't even exist in the Ultimate Universe but instead in the Avengers EMH Universe.

While I do find it a bit odd to have an animated series based on a person who is dead in the comics, and I hope they bring Peter back one day, I don't think this points directly to a future revival.

Ah I see, so I'm assuming that although it's named "Ultimate Spider-Man Animated Series" and is somewhat in the Ultimate timeline at some point during the transition, the animated series has it skewed off in a sort of 'spin-off' related escapade keeping Peter Parker alive and his respective Ultimate Spider-man intact.

Keep in mind that when I mean 'spin-off' and escapade I'm referring to the interesting fact that it could possibly be a different storyline to the mainline and using the evidence of a SHIELD watch that "Parker" (whether it is truly and indefinitely him has still not be announced or identified in concrete evidence, unless I'm being stupid) was using to converse with Nick Fury.

Another piece of evidence is the fact that Nick Fury is around at all at that moment. In the comics he was gone with someone else replacing him and Peter Parker himself was tailing around other super heroes.

[Plawsky]

Well, there are an infinite number of universe' in the Multiverse. There are at least 5 separate Ultimate Universe' existing within the Multiverse. Peter Parker is only dead in one of them, the main one.

Really, there's only one Ultimate Universe - Earth-1610. There's a bunch that are closely related, but only one is truly the Ultimate Universe. The rest are their own thing.

Ah I see, so I'm assuming that although it's named "Ultimate Spider-Man Animated Series" and is somewhat in the Ultimate timeline at some point during the transition, the animated series has it skewed off in a sort of 'spin-off' related escapade keeping Peter Parker alive and his respective Ultimate Spider-man intact.

From what we've seen so far (and, keep in mind, most of this is still just speculation/rumors) it seems that it's only related to Ultimate Spider-man in name and themes. It will be inspired by Ultimate Spider-man, maybe even using some of Bagley's character designs, but it will have its own unique events that are not directly related to the comics. It will likely be no more related to Ultimate Spider-man as the Ultimate comic was related to Amazing Spider-man.

[Balfro]

Really, there's only one Ultimate Universe - Earth-1610. There's a bunch that are closely related, but only one is truly the Ultimate Universe. The rest are their own thing.

Well obviously. But the way I view it, including the unlimited amount of ones we don't even know about, there many universe' based off of the UU. In fact, based on that logic Earth-1610 could even be a sub-par version of an unrevealed BETTER Ultimate Universe. Earth-1610 is just the one we follow, just like Earth-616 is the one the regular MU fans follow. That doesn't mean Earth-616 is the REAL Marvel Universe.

Anyway, this isn't really important. I was just stating that technically even though the cartoon is called "Ultimate Spider-Man", it can still have Peter Parker even though Earth-1610 Peter Parker is dead. Children, or the casual fan, might not understand though and be confused.

[Nyanasaur]

From what we've seen so far (and, keep in mind, most of this is still just speculation/rumors) it seems that it's only related to Ultimate Spider-man in name and themes. It will be inspired by Ultimate Spider-man, maybe even using some of Bagley's character designs, but it will have its own unique events that are not directly related to the comics. It will likely be no more related to Ultimate Spider-man as the Ultimate comic was related to Amazing Spider-man.

Well that certainly clears things up. However I'm sorely disappointed that my suspicions of Peter Parker returning after Fallout were crumpled up, spat on and seemingly vaporized. I am one sad man now.

[Kurolegacy]

Well that certainly clears things up. However I'm sorely disappointed that my suspicions of Peter Parker returning after Fallout were crumpled up, spat on and seemingly vaporized. I am one sad man now.

Don't give up all hope as he might not be back directly after Fallout, but that doesn't mean he'll never return. Only time will tell.

[spiderfreak1011]

Don't give up all hope as he might not be back directly after Fallout, but that doesn't mean he'll never return. Only time will tell.

I know, i hope he comes back soon, but my guess is that if he ever comes back, that he'll reappear in UC:SM# 34, also known as USM #200.

[wyokid]

Don't give up all hope as he might not be back directly after Fallout, but that doesn't mean he'll never return. Only time will tell.

That would be such a middle finger.

[spiderfreak1011]

That would be such a middle finger.

Not to me. It would be the best thing ever.

[kitonok]

Wikipedia said:
Drake Bell - Peter Parker/Spider-Man
Chi McBride - Nick Fury
Clark Gregg - Principal/Agent Phil Coulson
J. K. Simmons - J. Jonah Jameson
Stan Lee - Stan the Janitor
Adrian Pasdar - Anthony "Tony" Stark/Iron Man
Stephen Webber - Norman Osborn
Khary Payton - Luke Cage
Can I get a "Fuck yeah!" for every cast member?