So on Bucky Barnes... *Spoilers*

**Godlike13** · 07-14-2011, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by West

Um except for the fact that he managed to get a hit in despite being grossly outmatched, and was trying to evacuate civilians

Excuse me if i don't find the fact that he managed to get "a hit in" comforting, given it was quickly followed by Sin ripping his off his arm and pelting him with it. All that hit did was piss her off. He was grossly outmatched, and he just got grossly demolished

. And the real icing on cake was as he laid there dieing, they had to have him exclaiming how the Serpent was coming... Uhg.

**Abdulabulbul_Amir** · 07-16-2011, 01:28 AM

**Abdulabulbul_Amir** · 07-16-2011, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by Prince Of Orphans

Not what i meant. Just that Nick Fury being involved is a good thing if you catch my drift.

Aye, there's hope. But Fury and Bucky do go a way back, and it could be just that few Marvel characters aside from the mentioned have really connected with Buck since he got back.

Who'd show up at Bucky's funeral, anyway? I'm guessing, Steve, Widow, Falcon, Fury, the young Avengers maybe, or Rikki Barnes?

**Valek** · 07-16-2011, 06:06 AM

Is Bucky really dead?

In Avengers 004 the Kid Avengers are discussing with Maestro if this was really Bucky Barnes.

And Meastro says we all get whats coming to us.
Especially that son of a bitch.

I seemed to me that Bucky Barnes gets some kind of evil guy

**Prince Of Orphans** · 07-16-2011, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Abdulabulbul_Amir

Who'd show up at Bucky's funeral, anyway? I'm guessing, Steve, Widow, Falcon, Fury, the young Avengers maybe, or Rikki Barnes?

Thor, Sharon Carter, Bernie Rosenthal, Clint Barton and Wolverine probably would. Maybe Zemo? That would be interesting.

**Abdulabulbul_Amir** · 07-16-2011, 07:29 AM

Wolverine would be interesting as the two have a history.

Why Thor, though?

**Prince Of Orphans** · 07-16-2011, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Abdulabulbul_Amir

Wolverine would be interesting as the two have a history.

Why Thor, though?

He died in an Asgardian war basically. Least he could do.

**Abdulabulbul_Amir** · 07-16-2011, 08:01 AM

Ah. Of course.

Did anyone else think its weird Thor didn't acknowledge Bucky's bloodied corpse when he showed up?

**Prince Of Orphans** · 07-16-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Abdulabulbul_Amir

Ah. Of course.

Did anyone else think its weird Thor didn't acknowledge Bucky's bloodied corpse when he showed up?

He did mention the death to Steve at least saying something like "let no more good men like Bucky die". In all honesty, i don't think Thor thought much of Bucky, i don't think a lot of heroes did. It's too bad he was never really given the chance to have a shining moment among the other heroes. But then again, he is a legend in the black-ops circuit.

**Hrist** · 07-16-2011, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Prince Of Orphans

He did mention the death to Steve at least saying something like "let no more good men like Bucky die". In all honesty, i don't think Thor thought much of Bucky, i don't think a lot of heroes did. It's too bad he was never really given the chance to have a shining moment among the other heroes. But then again, he is a legend in the black-ops circuit.

I think he proved himself to the people that paid attention. (Clint, Sam, etc. The people who were in his book, basically.)

But yeah, he didn't do much in SI, and his chance to matter in Siege was usurped by Steve coming back. I think FI #3 was meant to be his shining moment...

**Prince Of Orphans** · 07-16-2011, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Hrist

But yeah, he didn't do much in SI, and his chance to matter in Siege was usurped by Steve coming back. I think FI #3 was meant to be his shining moment...

Well damn then, i feel cheated lol

**Cuban69** · 07-18-2011, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Moose967

Bucky went out in a fantastic way. I'm not going to disagree with you that it was handled a little bad, but that was more in Fraction's pacing than anything. And I know a good deal of Bucky fans are mad and looking for any excuse to keep him in the land of the living. Hey, I would love for Steve and Buck to get more interaction and do some missions together with Steve as Cap. I'll get my wish one day I'm sure, but for now it isn't.

I think we need to take what the writers say as truth. Yeah, Fraction is playing a little loose with how important this death is, but I kind of think it's because he knows what a reaction it gets when he does that. At least this time Steve has a body to bury and a way to give Buck a proper send off.

Killing Bucky would deny readers and fans of any future Cap/Bucky team ups in the modern world. Apart from say possibly the Siege event, and an issue of Captain America just before Steve Rogers' "death" and after Cap restores Bucky's memories they haven't really team up before.

**Cuban69** · 07-18-2011, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Superbeast

Brubaker and Fraction have said he is dead. So has Brevoort. I honestly don't know how you can be so deluded and be allowed out of a secure ward if you honestly expect their statements to end up being lies. Might want to move from South London to Egypt at this rate... joke should write itself.

My friend I take it you never heard of the term, "red herring"? Theres a possibility, although highly unlikely, thats what the death might end up being. Maybe they arrange for Bucky to fake his death so he goes underground. That way Steve gets to resume the mantle.
Also you know what bruv we are past the half way point of Fear Itself. So until the end of that mini, as well as all the aftermath issues, Im not going to take this death seriously. Theres nothing deluded in that. Im upset but the bottom line is, its all fiction come the end of the day, nothing serious.
The point Im trying to make is with Bucky's death, fans have been denied Cap and Bucky team ups in a cotemporary setting. It would have been nice to have seen such team ups in the present day Marvel Universe. Still hopeful it could happen. But if the powers of be go ahead with killing off Bucky, then what will be will be.

**vitruvian** · 07-18-2011, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Superbeast

Brubaker and Fraction have said he is dead. So has Brevoort. I honestly don't know how you can be so deluded and be allowed out of a secure ward if you honestly expect their statements to end up being lies. Might want to move from South London to Egypt at this rate... joke should write itself.

It's not like it hasn't happened before. I expect that he's dead and that there'll be a funeral, but also that he'll be back in fairly short order and maybe even before the end of FI.

**Hrist** · 07-18-2011, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Moose967

Bucky went out in a fantastic way.

No, he died as crossover fodder to re-establish a status quo. We haven't had any storyline payoff that comes close to justifying this, yet. (I say, yet, because apparently they're delaying all reactions to after the event itself.)

Originally Posted by Superbeast

Brubaker and Fraction have said he is dead. So has Brevoort. I honestly don't know how you can be so deluded and be allowed out of a secure ward if you honestly expect their statements to end up being lies. Might want to move from South London to Egypt at this rate... joke should write itself.

Brubaker's lied in interviews before because he doesn't want to spoil his story. I'm sure they aren't lying and that there's a tie-in issue dealing with aftermath. But they say characters are dead when there are plans to make them not dead all the time. It's kind of disturbing that you'd equate skepticism regarding death in comic books with the need to be institutionalized.