Wrestling: Postmania XII: Woo Woo Woo! You know it!

[Alex]

What? If that was directed at me, I seriously don't understand why.

It was a misquite, however i misread what i ment to quote.
Which i think was if anyone other than punk was leading nexus they would get blame.
Which i don't think is true, only Cena was leading it.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

And no matter how much you dislike Ryder, Mabel was never, ever, ever better then him in any way.
And his world title match against Nash was one of the worst things i have ever seen, meaning it went well with Nash being the champ, but it was still god awful.

i don't dislike ryder at all, he's just not anything special. mabel is better at being a monster/big man than ryder is at anything besides hosting an internet show. mabel's speed & agility for his size is more impressive than anything about ryder(besides his ability to host an internet show) who honestly is just very average.

[Alex]

i don't dislike ryder at all, he's just anything special. mabel is better at being a monster/big man than ryder is at anything besides hosting an internet show. mabel's speed & agility for his size is more impressive than anything about ryder(besides his ability to host an internet show) who honestly is just very average.

And i would argue he was never a good monster and that's why he had one shot, which he failed at, and then stayed midcard in between his bouts of not being employed. He also never showed anything resembeling talent in ring.
I've shit on Henry but he can be a big guy (if he's a heel), shit, Big Show can move around better then that guy could, and he's bigger.

[The Great Grape]

I'm still not quite getting why quoting me there was necessary. But to clarify a few things -

Does that person still think wrestling is real?

Been on the net since the late 90's. And watched pro wrestling (on and off) since pre first Hogan era. (Snuka, Muraco, Morales, etc.)

Which i think was if anyone other than punk was leading nexus they would get blame.

All the blame? No.

But if it were someone the net didn't like you'de better believe their presence at the head of a struggling stable wouldn't be glossed over as easily. Even if glossing over was actually called for.

For the record, though a member of the iwc for a long time, I dont inherently think the iwc is more fair than many of the people or positions it criticizes. Truth or not of that varies on a number of factors.

I'll also say that while I like Punk more and consider him a better overall performer than Wade, I think the role of Nexus leader is better handled by Wade. And am not really convinced that Punk would have done a better job in that specific role even if he had been leader from the beginning.

[Alex]

All the blame? No.

But if it were someone the net didn't like you'de better believe their presence at the head of a struggling stable wouldn't be glossed over as easily. Even if glossing over was actually called for.

There we are, that's what i took issue with.
I think the internet is savvy enough to realize that the way matches are booked is more important then the person at the head of the stable.
Unless the person is horrible on the mic and in the ring, in which case it would be partially there fault.
If they were being used for them to fail at it, Nexus was not really being used for anything buy losing marches for a while there, so whoever was at the lead wouldn't make a difference.

[The Great Grape]

The savvy part is not really addressing my intended points there though.

I'm not questioning bare net knowledge. I'm questioning application methods.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

And i would argue he was never a good monster and that's why he had one shot, which he failed at, and then stayed midcard in between his bouts of not being employed. He also never showed anything resembeling talent in ring.
I've shit on Henry but he can be a big guy (if he's a heel), shit, Big Show can move around better then that guy could, and he's bigger.

and you were asking if others know it's fake?? if we're going to go that route(which i really didn't want to) than mabel is better simply because he got that 1 shot and several runs in the WWE all of which he had more success and bigger matches than ryder, unless ryder picked up a win over the undertaker on PPV that i missed.

and really he could move especially when he was still mabel, seriously how many 500lbs guys do you see doing wheel kicks??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM3Ew...eature=related

yokozuna was also better than ryder BTW.

[Alex]

and you were asking if others know it's fake?? if we're going to go that route(which i really didn't want to) than mabel is better simply because he got that 1 shot and several runs in the WWE all of which he had more success and bigger matches than ryder, unless ryder picked up a win over the undertaker on PPV that i missed.

Well, since Ryder isn't currently being used, i have to agree.

However,you can't state that Mabel is better because he got a title shot, since we can all provide a lot of examples where title shots don't equate to talent, or the ability to draw money, or popularity.
Can Ryder draw? I dunno, he hasn't had the shot, i have a feeling he can't, i don't think he will get a huge push, i think he might get a shot at midcard to appease the internet fans.

BTW, in that video, he did about 4 moves over the course of it, he did do a weird looking wheel kick(um...kind of), one of the other moves was a clothes line, another was a body slam.
I'm not saying big guys have to be technically impressive, i'm just saying i don't think he was ever popular.
Won King of The Ring in what a lot of people say was terrible, and i would agree. Had a bad title match, once, which was terrible, lost to undertaker in a ppv match i haven't seen, got fired. Came back, was apart of Undertakers stable, went midcard nothing for a bit, got fired again.

Came back again as a midcard joke character, went to fake ecw for a bit as a monster, got fired again.

Shit, i don't want Ryder as a world title holder, i think the guys funny, i just want to see him on tv. Or maybe used to give the show some tag team matches.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Well, since Ryder isn't currently being used, i have to agree.

However,you can't state that Mabel is better because he got a title shot, since we can all provide a lot of examples where title shots don't equate to talent, or the ability to draw money, or popularity.

i didn't, but when you use the logic that he wasn't a good monster because he only got that 1 shot by that same logic ryder isn't a good wrestler because he can't even get a match on RAW let alone a title shot on PPV. i don't really care for this logic but that's the route you chose so i followed.

BTW, in that video, he did about 4 moves over the course of it, he did do a weird looking wheel kick(um...kind of), one of the other moves was a clothes line, another was a body slam.

did somebody say he had a huge moveset?? i was saying he could move for his size and that's what the vid showed especially considering most of that vid is clips from when he was already past his prime. also check the wheel kick at 2:15 in the vid(or actually watch his matches) it's nice.

I'm not saying big guys have to be technically impressive, i'm just saying i don't think he was ever popular.

and??

Won King of The Ring in what a lot of people say was terrible, and i would agree. Had a bad title match, once, which was terrible, lost to undertaker in a ppv match i haven't seen, got fired. Came back, was apart of Undertakers stable, went midcard nothing for a bit, got fired again.

Came back again as a midcard joke character, went to fake ecw for a bit as a monster, got fired again.

the KoTR match against taker was pretty good imo, the rest of the tourney not so much but that isn't mabels fault.

again you're noting how he was used and not addressing how good or bad he actually is and if you're going to point this stuff out i must point out that while you're downplaying what he did it's still a lot more than anything ryder has done. you mention that he got fired but it's not like he's out of work, at 40something he has a nice spot in AJPW that ryder would not be given.

[BeastieRunner]

This thread is full of Bromosexual tension.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I've heard some fantastic news! (Diva stuff)


AJ Lee is going to debut on Smackdown very soon.



The other diva debuting soon is not Naomi. Now usually, I'd be mad about this.


However the person who's showing up instead is actually Maxine. Now, she's been pretty much one of the if not the best mic workers in FCW, so her being a part of the main roster is actually a great thing, IMO.

Mostly if she's a manager or GM figure though. Her wrestling is better than it was (like Aksana's, forget Kaitlyn), but I'd rather keep her as a talker instead of a wrestler. That's what she's been doing in FCW, so she might as well continue that.

[Holacik]

Steve Austin : "Agreed !"

CM Punk to Heyman : oh you know me, if I don't have heat I'm doing something wrong. Keeps me warm.

CM Punk jokin with Austin : how many beers did it take for you to Admit that?
2 hours ago

Austin joking with Punk : easy Punk...I'll slap the snot outa your nose faster than you can blink an eye...best response is just to say thank you...word

CM Punk back to Austin : one tequila, two tequila...thanks. Homie.
1 hour ago

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I would love to see a program between those two.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Tonight is Impact ...and well its a change. The company is completely changing the name , ring and ropes. So its gonna be interesting . If the report is true about Hogan and Bischoff's name change for the company ..it begins here.

[Superbeast]

I would love to see a program between those two.

Punk has challenged Stone Cold for WM 28 on Twitter, Austin kind of laughed it off but said not to push it or he'll have to kick his ass so... seems like the players are game, management maybe not so much.

[Legato]

Punk has challenged Stone Cold for WM 28 on Twitter, Austin kind of laughed it off but said not to push it or he'll have to kick his ass so... seems like the players are game, management maybe not so much.

Punk is going to have to get in line. Miz wants a shot at Stone Cold also