Power Girl

[superchick]

I would honestly rather have Power Girl than Supergirl any day of the week, if a choice had to be made. There are enough blonde teenage girls in ANY DCU at any given time, Power Girl is much, much more in so many ways.

How?
I've tried to get this out in the other thread but I get angry replies. How is Power Girl more? What is Power Girl's central story? Why do we need an older Supergirl? Why should we get rid of the original teen blonde DC super-heroine because of others? What makes PG valuable? What makes SG unnecessary?

Why replace a merchansing success across various media with a character that sells fewer comic books and nothing else? It doesn't make sense.

[vitruvian]

How?
I've tried to get this out in the other thread but I get angry replies. How is Power Girl more? What is Power Girl's central story? Why do we need an older Supergirl? Why should we get rid of the original teen blonde DC super-heroine because of others? What makes PG valuable? What makes SG unnecessary?

Why replace a merchansing success across various media with a character that sells fewer comic books and nothing else? It doesn't make sense.

Despite the strangeness of the 'Girl' part of her name, Power Girl is fairly consistently portrayed as more mature, more heroic, stronger willed, and generally more interesting by virtue of the recent redevelopment of her secret identity and other role as the CEO of a major technology company.

Why do we need an older Supergirl? I don't know, why do we need any more strong and mature female characters?

And between their recent titles, Power Girl's has been far better written.

Honestly, though, I don't think they should do away with either. Here's a simple idea for including her in the revamped DCU without having her come from an alternate universe or be confusing to explain in terms of just how many survivors there are from Krypton:

Notice that they're folding at least some Wildstorm characters into the DCU, including Apollo. Now, Apollo's original origin was that he was artificially granted solar-powered abilities very, very similar to Superman's - even his solar blasts were basically like heat vision at the beginning, doing larger bursts from his whole body was a later development. We're never told exactly where that tech came from, although Planetary had a Kal-el expy killed on arrival who could have been studied to develop it; in the DCU, it makes sense that it would have come from study of Superman's tissues, most likely by somebody working for Lex (yes, this basically makes Apollo Solar Man, just a modified regular Joe rather than a clone).

There's no reason that a similar process to the one that empowered Apollo couldn't have been used on a previously normal human, corporate CEO and technologist Karen Starr. The difference between her and Supergirl then would be not just one of maturity, but also the factors that she's native to Earth and its culture and had the experience of running around as a regular human before gaining Superman-level powers.

[ticklefist]

How?
I've tried to get this out in the other thread but I get angry replies. How is Power Girl more? What is Power Girl's central story? Why do we need an older Supergirl? Why should we get rid of the original teen blonde DC super-heroine because of others? What makes PG valuable? What makes SG unnecessary?

Why replace a merchansing success across various media with a character that sells fewer comic books and nothing else? It doesn't make sense.

Because despite those sales her comic books and presentation as a likable person are better. Put anything in the SG costume and it would sell. Put a character like PG in the SG costume and watch it sale more for the mere fact that a super hero that enjoys being a super hero is more fun to read than one that doesn't.

[gwydion]

How?
I've tried to get this out in the other thread but I get angry replies. How is Power Girl more? What is Power Girl's central story? Why do we need an older Supergirl? Why should we get rid of the original teen blonde DC super-heroine because of others? What makes PG valuable? What makes SG unnecessary?

Why replace a merchansing success across various media with a character that sells fewer comic books and nothing else? It doesn't make sense.

I won't prseume to answer for him, but I will correct you on one thing. Power Girl does indeed sell other things. Her busts, (no pun intended), have sold in the top dollar figures for their release months, and her trades have done well. She even has a t-shirt. To axe the character right when she's developing as both a comic book figure and a merchandising figure makes little sense.

As to your question why we need an older Supergirl, why not also ask why we need an older Superboy, or a younger Superman, or a female Superman?

[Fused]

They're so different in personality and appearance they might as well just be sisters. In a weird multiversal way, they are. In the history of written fiction, has anyone ever argued against the existence of sisterly relationships?

If anything I would like to see them explore the 2 of them together instead of just never seeing them in the same book assuming they're redundancies.

[krammocon]

I'd rather not answer the whys as to not offend the other Supergirl fans that are also Power Girl fans.

All I can say is that, Power Girl has been here since 1976, without the "S" and she's doing fine. What more if she's with it...

Power Girl, can stand on her own. May it be as one of the Supers, a Justice Leaguer, a JSA leader or just by herself...

[Jabare]

This is great.

Where did you find this? Or if you made it yourself have you put it on photobucket or deviantart?

Its from my photobucket page originally

http://s530.photobucket.com/albums/d...rent=CPlHW.jpg

I try not to draw to much attention to my actual photobucket page, cause it took me a while to collect all my picks/scans over the years, and if for some reason those pics were removed or taken down/away I'd be pretty up set

[Oblivion87]

Its from my photobucket page originally

http://s530.photobucket.com/albums/d...rent=CPlHW.jpg

I try not to draw to much attention to my actual photobucket page, cause it took me a while to collect all my picks/scans over the years, and if for some reason those pics were removed or taken down/away I'd be pretty up set

Thank you Jabare.

[jamie23m]

So is it official? Is the current PG series not gonna continue after september?

[ticklefist]

So is it official? Is the current PG series not gonna continue after september?

Can't tell. They may be holding off these last 4 announcements until tomorrow so they actually have something to talk about at heropalooza, or whatever its called.

[TripleX]

Its from my photobucket page originally

http://s530.photobucket.com/albums/d...rent=CPlHW.jpg

I try not to draw to much attention to my actual photobucket page, cause it took me a while to collect all my picks/scans over the years, and if for some reason those pics were removed or taken down/away I'd be pretty up set

Why didn't you just post the pic? Then no one would even know where it came from unless they quoted you and got the url.

[JBFletcher]

Hoping that PG will turn up later on in the inevitable next round of new DC #1s. Maybe she'd do well in limited series with some of the other JSA vets.

[superchick]

Because despite those sales her comic books and presentation as a likable person are better. Put anything in the SG costume and it would sell. Put a character like PG in the SG costume and watch it sale more for the mere fact that a super hero that enjoys being a super hero is more fun to read than one that doesn't.

What are you basing this characterisation on? The Kelly run of Supergirl? Pick up a Showcase and you will read a Supergirl who loves what she is doing. Sterling Gates' Supergirl loved being a Superhero, she explicitly states that after New Krypton. Landry Walker's Supergirl loved super-heroism as well. The storyline was realistic in Kelly's run though. Why should she be a superhero just because she has powers? That is a good question to ask. Why should her life be decided for her?

I won't prseume to answer for him, but I will correct you on one thing. Power Girl does indeed sell other things. Her busts, (no pun intended), have sold in the top dollar figures for their release months, and her trades have done well. She even has a t-shirt. To axe the character right when she's developing as both a comic book figure and a merchandising figure makes little sense.

As to your question why we need an older Supergirl, why not also ask why we need an older Superboy, or a younger Superman, or a female Superman?

I appreciate all the answers given. I did forget DC direct and was thinking more about outside the collectors market. The Supergirl brand is booming and has its very own site. http://supergirl.com/ Its important that Supergirl is a young woman for that.

Superboy was created so young boys could feel related to Superman in the same way that Robin related to them to Batman. With Kara and PG we have to ask why we need an older Supergirl and if we do why can't we just have an adult Kara in the adult Legion.

Despite the strangeness of the 'Girl' part of her name, Power Girl is fairly consistently portrayed as more mature, more heroic, stronger willed, and generally more interesting by virtue of the recent redevelopment of her secret identity and other role as the CEO of a major technology company.

Why do we need an older Supergirl? I don't know, why do we need any more strong and mature female characters?

And between their recent titles, Power Girl's has been far better written.

Honestly, though, I don't think they should do away with either. Here's a simple idea for including her in the revamped DCU without having her come from an alternate universe or be confusing to explain in terms of just how many survivors there are from Krypton:

Notice that they're folding at least some Wildstorm characters into the DCU, including Apollo. Now, Apollo's original origin was that he was artificially granted solar-powered abilities very, very similar to Superman's - even his solar blasts were basically like heat vision at the beginning, doing larger bursts from his whole body was a later development. We're never told exactly where that tech came from, although Planetary had a Kal-el expy killed on arrival who could have been studied to develop it; in the DCU, it makes sense that it would have come from study of Superman's tissues, most likely by somebody working for Lex (yes, this basically makes Apollo Solar Man, just a modified regular Joe rather than a clone).

There's no reason that a similar process to the one that empowered Apollo couldn't have been used on a previously normal human, corporate CEO and technologist Karen Starr. The difference between her and Supergirl then would be not just one of maturity, but also the factors that she's native to Earth and its culture and had the experience of running around as a regular human before gaining Superman-level powers.

Remember, this is Kara as 'Supergirl' not just the last 6 years. After Crisis you don't get more heroic.

You can't take a more mature Kara and make her Supergirl like has been suggested. That is missing the point. All those things you described are Kara after her learning curve, Supergirl is the learning process. You can't take the result of that and put her back through it. That is like saying Clark as Superboy should act the same as Clark as Superman. It doesn't make sense. Its not just a matter of swapping costumes. Should Supergirl be a CEO in her late 20's, I don't think so. That isn't Supergirl to me.

Do you think Winick's PG is better than Gates' SG? Gates' run was character defining. He set the template for how all writers should approach Kara this decade. That doesn't mean I didn't have niggles, he should have done less with inherited villains like Silver banshee and Toyman. I didn't like Reactron's Metallo makeover but Gates was bringing in Kara's old villains slowly but surely. I didn't like her living in Metropolis either, Kara doesn't belong there. But everything else was great. He got Brainy back, Kara found her Legion again, The Gang were around, her rivalry with Cat was nuanced, Bizarro Girl was a slice of genius etc...

If they streamline PG's origin and disconnect her from Kara I think there would be a place for her. Until then, as a Supergirl fan, I don't want her muddying the waters. Send her the way of Matrix, Linda Danvers and Andromeda. When the core character is stable then reintroduce these variations.

[vitruvian]

If they streamline PG's origin and disconnect her from Kara I think there would be a place for her. Until then, as a Supergirl fan, I don't want her muddying the waters. Send her the way of Matrix, Linda Danvers and Andromeda. When the core character is stable then reintroduce these variations.

Well, your opinion is no more valid than that of the many Power Girl fans, and given the great number of ways in which the two characters can be distinguished from each other if they coexist, it even strikes me as somewhat selfish to wish for somebody else's favorite to be eliminated so as not to 'muddy the waters' for your fave. Would it really diminish your enjoyment of Supergirl so much for Power Girl to stick around?

[Silver_Leopard]

So am I

*pats on Grayson's back*

I feel you. I would be RAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEDDDD if PG is not annonced in JLI or JLA books. Right now, I cancelled my Hawkman, JLA, and Batgirl pull for a Batwoman, JLD, Wonder Woman (kept her on my pull list), and Captain Atom.

Since JSA is not around, I will just read some Batwoman (I don't like the Batman franchise that much) to tide me over my missing JSA fellows.