Superman renounces American citizenship (spoiler Action 900)

[dupersuper]

Superman isn't an American citizen. Clark Kent is.

This is very true.

One can become an ordained minister online and thus can perform many of the same services that one goes through with the traditional way. And as I said, the Chruch many not recognize you, but in your heart of hearts, you are still Catholic regardless of what the Vatican says.

This is very not. If you leave the catholic church and become a minister online, you are now no longer a catholic priest, but a minister of whatever online organization ordained you.

[liheibao]

Perhaps not explicitly but I certainly feel such vibe from that camp. Are you insinuating that the most powerful being on the planet would be THAT naive to actually spout such ideals that CAN be interpreted as patriotic to a single country and expect everyone in the fictional world roll with it? Wow, I think I am reading another Superman then.

No, I was referring to myself, when I was a boy. I've never seen an issue of Superman where he swoops into a foreign country, saves people, then hands out red, white, and blue buntings while singing out: "Truth, Justice, and The American!" I could ask is Superman naive enough to believe that renouncing his citizenship would really cause Iran (who had not issue with him before at all) to view him differently?

[Mat001]

If Superman isn't an American citizen then the Border Patrol should send him back to --- oh, Krypton ain't there.

I know you're being funny, but there's no reason to send him anywhere, since he doesn't live in the US. Nor any other country. As far as the public is concerned, he lives in the Arctic circle which last I check, doesn't have any type of governmental jurisdiction. Not to mention that by law, people can visit a country that they're not a resident of. So technically, he doesn't need a citizenship to visit Metropolis.

Mat have some common sense would you? Your arguments are so convoluted by loving Supes that they make no sense. if you say you are not a Catholic priest, in your heart doesn't count for being a Catholoic. Do you understand that? It doesn't matter that you think you are a priest of the religion of Mat - you are not a Catholic priest.

Geez.

I do have common sense. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter what the Church says, it doesn't change what's in your heart. That's what that person on the Superman board over at the DC forums made and that's something that I agree with.

I could ask is Superman naive enough to believe that renouncing his citizenship would really cause Iran (who had not issue with him before at all) to view him differently?

It's not naieve to believe that maybe a gesture of good faith can go a long way. It's not naieve to want to avoid starting a war because he wanted to do some good, in a matter that is sensitive. Iran may not have had issue with him before, because he never injected himself in a political matter. What he did was essentially make the Iranian President look bad, because he was going to order the deaths of everyone who was at the protest rally, because of the very simple fact that they were protesting his government. His rule. And instead, because Superman showed up, his soldiers didn't carry out their orders and which makes him look weak. So he gets mad at Superman and chooses to hurl accusations at both him and the US. It makes the US question his motivations. Superheroes are on shaky ground as it is, and Kryptonians in particular. Clark did what his heart and conscience felt was right. Just as he's always done.

[Comics_Addict]

No, I was referring to myself, when I was a boy. I've never seen an issue of Superman where he swoops into a foreign country, saves people, then hands out red, white, and blue buntings while singing out: "Truth, Justice, and The American!" I could ask is Superman naive enough to believe that renouncing his citizenship would really cause Iran (who had not issue with him before at all) to view him differently?

Oh now that is all cleared up. I knew something came off wrong while reading your post. I enjoyed the story but I can agree that it creates too many issues in the larger scheme of things. I think that Goyer perhaps just used Iran as an example in the story of the climate of the times not necessarily because of the nation itself. At least that's how I understood it.

[dregj]

in what issue did superman ever become a US citizen?

[mos]

In Byrne's MOS # 1 and properly acknowledged in MOS # 6. Since he was "born" in America by default that makes him an American citizen.

[The Duke]

Just for the line "I'm a legal alien"

[liheibao]

in what issue did superman ever become a US citizen?

Superman is made an American citizen posthumously by Bill Clinton (in the comics), so that his body couldn't be removed from his grave site after his "death" fighting Doomsday. Once he returned, the citizenship still applied.

[stk]

In Byrne's MOS # 1 and properly acknowledged in MOS # 6. Since he was "born" in America by default that makes him an American citizen.

Yeah, people seem to gloss that over. Of course, that had reverted a couple years prior to Action #900 back to Superman having been born on Krypton.

[Mat001]

Yeah, but was dregj referring to the Superman persona, or the Clark Kent one.

[stk]

Yeah, but was dregj referring to the Superman persona, or the Clark Kent one.

Yeah, and the point was, Byrne's Superman was actually BORN on American soil, making him a US citizen by default. Leaving the Clark persona completely out of it, the MoS Superman actually WAS American. Conceived on Krypton, born on Earth in Kansas.

[dregj]

made a citizen after doomsday? I thought there'd been several resets/reboots since then?do they only discount the inconvenient parts

[Coal Tiger]

made a citizen after doomsday? I thought there'd been several resets/reboots since then?do they only discount the inconvenient parts

Prior to the new 52, nothing has really directly contradicted the death and return story, so I think it stuck.

[Kurosawa]

made a citizen after doomsday? I thought there'd been several resets/reboots since then?do they only discount the inconvenient parts

By the time of that story, Superman had been rebooted 3 times from Byrne's version and was born on Krypton, not Earth. So the Superman who denounced his citizenship was not Byrne's Superman, I actually consider that Superman (2002-2011) to be the Flux II period Superman (Flux I was 48-57).

[mos]

I totally forgot that BirthRight and Superman/Batman have shown that there were clearly changes in his place of birth which invalidated Byrne's MOS. Kal-el was already a baby and no longer a fetus when he was placed in the rocket in BirthRight and Superman/Batman. Thanks to everyone who remembered those events.

If that's the case, it would be after Superman's death that he became an American citizen. That would be one of the "definitive" instance in continuity that recognize that he was American and there was no other retcons that seemed to erase what Clinton said if my memory serves me right.