CBR: Liefeld Resurrects "Avengelyne"

[Sharcque]

sOriginally Posted by wikiquote
Liefeld has become known for producing late books, primarily his creator-owned ones,[8][26] though somewhat less so when doing work-for-hire.[1] Some issues of his series Youngblood shipped as much as nine months late. Liefeld has attributed this to the greater incentive a freelancer feels when doing work-for-hire assignments for a company, as opposed to working on one's self-owned work.[23]

Seriously? You are gonna prove us wrong by using a wikiquote. That is LMAO great!

And again, all Rob does with avengelyne is approve it. Issue 2 is completed. Issue 3 almost.

[Dr. Shouts]

They are both personal friends of Rob's. And regardless of what Shane already proved to you (thanks, Shane) regarding Rob's recent output, what does Rob's work ethic have to do with these 2 guys making a comic?

He's gonna be an "advisor", which means he's working on it. And since he's been known to put his own books out extremely late (if at all), it's best to take his work ethic into account. Like I said, don't put too much stock into this one.

They both tweet about it, and rob has posted about it.
See above answer.

Yeah, but where is the physical evidence of this? *twiddles thumbs*

You'll be proven very wrong here. He has hinted quite a bit that he has a DC gig coming up.

Words, words, words, but that isn't physical evidence that he made comics on time last year. You posted several comics that don't even exist. What's that about?

He owns the character, he approves the story. It's as simple as that. And what legal issues are you talking about?

Yes, and he can also cancel it and relaunch it at will. Don't be surprised if he abruptly cancels Avengelyne again.

I registered here way back when it was the cool thing to use a pseudo nick for usernames. I used to post as Sharky dating back to the 90s on message boards. That name was taken, so I used a variant of it of my own making. People here know my real name, as i use it in a lot of other places with more recent registeries: Terry.

As far as Rob's coming work goes...I know about it because I follow comics all over the internet. And because I'm Terry, just ask somebody. (that's a joke - lol).

Nice to meet you, Terry. My real name is Joey, just ask nobody. (that's a better joke - lulz).

Seriously? You are gonna prove us wrong by using a wikiquote. That is LMAO great!

And again, all Rob does with avengelyne is approve it. Issue 2 is completed. Issue 3 almost.

I love wikipedia. Whenever is used to strengthen an argument, people don't say anything. But whenever wikipedia is used to counter an argument, people say it's not a reliable source.

The original source of that comic was from an interview Brian Michael Bendis of Liefeld. Since you're such a big comic fan, Terry, I'm sure you can find that Wizard magazine issue.

Lastly, if Liefeld had proven himself to be a good creator with a good work ethic, we probably wouldn't be having this convo. But he hasn't. He added fuel to the fire himself. Are you gonna blame me from being skeptical about his work ethic? Most of the projects shane listed were minor artwork or just covers. It all looks pretty sporadic and minor to me. For a popular guy who's had so many studios and so many characters, don't you think it's kinda sad how he's eeking out work here and there? He's had many books launched. But, since '92, how many titles can you name that he has worked on for one full year without interruptions? I'll be waiting for an answer from you or shane.

[shanealt]

Most of the projects I listed? Prelude to Deadpool Corps and the eight issues of Deadpool Corps he did was basically a near-monthly assignment. He did the first issue of the Prelude miniseries (I believe it was a weekly miniseries, one of those five-month affairs) and then Deadpool Corps launched...what, the month after? He did the first five issues, had a scheduled break (as many artists do these days) and then did up through issue nine.

While working on other projects and covers as well.

Yes, he developed a poor reputation in the past, and he is one of the first to admit that. He's also working incredibly hard to change that. As he's said, he devoted his last year to solidifying himself as a reliable artist again, even if the projects weren't ideal. This year, he gets to do the projects he wants. No, not all of them have materialized, but that's because, you know, they haven't been released yet. They're works in progress.

[Venkman007]

venkman, yer opinion can be greatly appreciated on the indie board on cbr. I don't see why you don't normally post here? Why do you lurk but not post?

I haven't lurked. I just registered, actually. I almost never come here.

[Dr. Shouts]

Hey, you guys buy whatever ya wanna buy. I'm just stating an opinion on the guy. That's all. I think the fame and fortune he gets/has gotten is undeserved. For one thing, his ideas lack originality. Avengelyne is about a hot chick who fights demonic creatures. Yawn. Seen it a million times already. Maybe it was new when he first started it. It's not now.

And he looks like he has some difficulties drawing backgrounds still. Plus, his villains look the same. Why do the villains in Deadpool 900 and the Infinite both have weird silver headgear with glowing eyes? The main characters can kill dozens at a time in the bloodiest fashion but not sustain any injuries themselves. That's boring. It kills all the tension in the story.

I can go on about his art and his storytelling. But I won't. Just remember, lads, he's terrible at meeting deadlines. Many comic creators like Matt Fraction and Erik Larsen have proven they cannot handle multiple titles and tasks at once and meet their deadlines on all of them (or any of them). Soon Liefeld will come out with his own projects. In addition, he'll work on projects for Marvel, and maybe DC. Don't be shocked if projects come extremely late or canned real quick.

[Scott M Davis]

Mark Poulton and Owen Gieni are gonna rock Avengelyne out.

Poulton is really coming up in the ranks as a talented writer. His Koni Waves series and his kids book " A Cat Named Haiku" are tremendous reads.

[Rasputin9977]

I'm a huge Liefeld fan but anyone that says Liefeld doesn't put out late books is fooling himself. Sure he kept Deadpool Corps on time but prior to that? He has a long track of not only being late on books but not finishing the title at all. Liefeld needs to keep up his track on Deadpool Corps to redeem himself because he has screwed his reputation throughout the years.

Wow, the stuff we are recycling these days.

Archia Studios brought back Avengelyne last year for a one-shot. Prior to that, maybe 2002-2004 I think, Avatar had several Avengelyne books out. It was mainly soft porn.

[Sharcque]

Hey Dr Shouts - what kind of "physical evidence" do you want? I mean, there are announcements all the time on websites and on twitter, but no - they are not physical evidence. I don't get what you want as proof. How is a CBR story any more reliable than a tweet? CBR's 1st Avengelyne story was based on Rob's tweeting. So Rob's tweeting means nothing until CBR runs with it? Makes no sense.

And what comics did I talk about that don't exist?

[Scott M Davis]

I think he means Youngblood #75.

[Dr. Shouts]

And what comics did I talk about that don't exist?

I think he means Youngblood #75.

That and the X-Force limited Duane Swierrczynski was supposed to have done with Rob.

I think Terry lives in another dimension. Maybe Earth-2. Cuz that's the only way he could know about these books no one else has seen.

[Sharcque]

That and the X-Force limited Duane Swierrczynski was supposed to have done with Rob.

I think Terry lives in another dimension. Maybe Earth-2. Cuz that's the only way he could know about these books no one else has seen.

Duane has tweeted about it as well. Don't worry doc, I'll remind you about this thread when the official announcements come. You can start preparing your response now.

[MDV]

Poulton is really coming up in the ranks as a talented writer. His Koni Waves series and his kids book " A Cat Named Haiku" are tremendous reads.

Please nobody believe this. It is 100% fabrication.

[Sharcque]

Please nobody believe this. It is 100% fabrication.

How can someone's positive opinion about a writer's work be fabrication?

[Scott M Davis]

Please nobody believe this. It is 100% fabrication.

Oddest comment I have ever read.

[Dr. Shouts]

I haven't lurked. I just registered, actually. I almost never come here.

Yeah, I know what you mean. This board is mainly for comic lovers of the Big Two. And even then it tends to be for the most recent stuff. If you like comics outside that sphere yer not gonna find much discussion about em on cbr. I have around 1500 comics. More than half of those are indie. I have hundreds from the Big Two. Outta those hundreds, less than 10 comics came out since 2000. Kind of a minority here.

Duane has tweeted about it as well. Don't worry doc, I'll remind you about this thread when the official announcements come. You can start preparing your response now.

I've got my response. When those upcoming projects Rob mentioned start getting months late, abruptly cancelled, then abruptly relaunched, I wanna hear your response.