Who likes Wolverine & Spider-Man as Avengers?

[Moriarty]

I still don't like them being on the Avengers this long. Hopefully, their exit will coincide with Bendis's departure.

agreed.

and i'm also confused by this beading a dead horse thread.

[Icefalcon]

Spider-Man and Wolverine have both been Avengers for some years now. During this time, both characters have successfully grown into the Avengers' legacy and it's difficult to think of today's Avengers without them.
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I could quite happily think of the Avengers without either, but then I could also happily imagine a team of Avengers without Luke Cage or Hawkeye. Not because I don't like them, I do (except Hawkeye), but to me the only people i can't imagine a good Avengers without is at least two of Tony, Thor Cap. Anyone else can easily come and go.

[crossbones]

Hopefully, their exit will coincide with Bendis's departure.

let's hope so.

it never was a good idea to begin with.

[tigerkaya]

Not really, the character development came from their respective titles that their stay on the Avengers felt more like filler than actual character. The real members were the ones who benefitted the character work from the Avengers books. But I wouldn't mind seeing Spider-Man team up with the Avengers every now and than. As to Wolverine, no comment.

[NamorsTrident]

I think Spidey is fine and a logical choice for the Avengers. But Wolverine should not be there at all. Having Logan on the Avengers has been a slap in the face for everything the Avengers stood for and this is coming from a long time X-fan.

[Jim Thompson]

There are certainly a lot of people who enjoy Spider-Man and Wolverine being Avengers. I wasn't one of them, though. I don't think either is a particularly good fit for the Avengers, though Wolverine bothers me a lot less than Spider-Man. Spider-Man, at his core, is something of an awkward outsider. He's the good-natured guy who's on the outside looking in. It's probably part of why he was originally easy to relate to. Being on the Avengers is like being on the varsity football team. I don't think Spider-Man's character is well served by that circumstance.

All that said, the ship has sailed. For better or worse, they are linked in strong with the Avengers now.

[Don Quixote]

I don't care for Wolverine, and the idea of him being an Avenger makes no sense when you consider he also moonlights as a mutant terrorist (from the point of view of large parts of the civilian populace). The Avengers have always been a public group, popular and open. Wolverine makes no sense in that world.

Nor does Spider-Man, really. But I kind of like Spider-Man being an Avenger, because it means I can occasionally read about him without having to buy a Spider-Man book. But objectively, I can't say I'm a fan of the idea of characters appearing in multiple books every month.

Marvel has a lot of characters, and a lot of them could be popular and profitable if they'd invest some time and effort into them. Just shoehorning Wolverine and Spider-Man into a book to make it sell doesn't seem like a particularly inventive strategy to me.

But I'm sure none of this is new territory for discussion.

[tommyman]

There are certainly a lot of people who enjoy Spider-Man and Wolverine being Avengers. I wasn't one of them, though. I don't think either is a particularly good fit for the Avengers, though Wolverine bothers me a lot less than Spider-Man. Spider-Man, at his core, is something of an awkward outsider. He's the good-natured guy who's on the outside looking in. It's probably part of why he was originally easy to relate to. Being on the Avengers is like being on the varsity football team. I don't think Spider-Man's character is well served by that circumstance.

All that said, the ship has sailed. For better or worse, they are linked in strong with the Avengers now.

I agree, but would add that a lot of characters were strongly linked with the Avengers prior to Bendis, and we have not seen any sign of most of those for 8 years (the ones not killed, insane or dismembered).
So nothing is set in stone.
And for my part I think that Wolverine and Spider-Man are fine characters in their own milieu, but each loses some of what makes them who they are serving in this particular team.

[Spidey_Legend]

It all depends of how written are them. For example, Normas was the big bad boy in Dark Reign and Siege and Spide didn't do anything except a punch. To do that, I prefer him as a reservist member.

[WinterSoldier76]

It should be noted that both Spidey and Wolverine are not on both teams anymore and both are only members of the New Avengers.

[Jim Thompson]

I agree, but would add that a lot of characters were strongly linked with the Avengers prior to Bendis, and we have not seen any sign of most of those for 8 years (the ones not killed, insane or dismembered).

Yeah, there are characters in the Marvel stable I think of as just being Avengers -- Scarlet Witch, Vision, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Wonder Man, Pym, and the Wasp jump to mind.

[Jim Thompson]

It should be noted that both Spidey and Wolverine are not on both teams anymore and both are only members of the New Avengers.

I'd actually prefer neither character was more than reserve members.

[destro]

I'm not a big fan of either on the team, but Spider-Man at least makes a kind of sense.

After all Spider-Man has worked with almost every hero in the MU multiple times, especially many of the Avengers. I prefer Spidey as more of a loner, but he is a character that can work in many different situations, including as an Avenger.

Wolverine on the other hand, no matter how people try to twist and turn to defend this it just makes absolutely no sense. He was already overexposed and on too many teams. And it involves giving most of the Avengers personality transplants to ignore his kill-crazy ways. Most of the Avengers used to be hard-core against killing under almost any circumstance, unless there was truly no other choice.

[Exo]

I remember a time when you'd have to fill a membership application form to become part of The Avengers.

Those were the days...

[Jaded Devil]

I've warmed a bit to both of them. Much more Spider-Man than Wolverine, who still feels more like a cash-grab to get people to buy the book than giving him a legitimate reason to be there, but he's a good character type to bump up against other people (like Cap or Spidey). However, with the Thing onboard, the gruff Wolverine thing is a bit redundant.

Spidey, on the other hand, really fits the bill as a quintessential Avenger for me (and actually had well before his "official" membership). He's probably not ever going to make a Top Ten Avengers list for me, nor will he be the first person I think of when I think of Avengers, but I'll never have an issue if someone wants to include him in their line-up. I actually hope he survives the transition from Bendis to the new creative team next year.