CBR: When Words Collide - Apr 18, 2011

[CBR News]

Tim digs into Jonathan Hickman's "Secret Warriors" and talks about Nick Fury, Brian Michael Bendis and where the lies, conspiracies, double-crosses and other spy-goodness in the Marvel Universe all began.


Full article here.

[TheDrizzt]

Dan Chichester (there's a name we haven't heard in a looooong time) turned in a pretty good Fury comic back in the 1990s. IIRC, it had Guice on the art, too.

Of course, he had some kind of falling out with editorial, and it didn't last.

[Blade X]

Dan Chichester (there's a name we haven't heard in a looooong time) turned in a pretty good Fury comic back in the 1990s. IIRC, it had Guice on the art, too.

Of course, he had some kind of falling out with editorial, and it didn't last.

I agree. Dan's Nick Fury run was pretty good.

Another good Nick Fury series/mini series was the FURY OF SHIELD written by Howard Chaykin and drawn by good artist whose name I can't recall at the moment.

As for Hickman's SECRET WARRIORS series, I think that it is a good book that is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with superhero (or in this case, super spy) comics from the Big 2. Here's a list of things wrong with this series.

1. The book is convoluted and complicated. It took a simple premise of SHIELD vs HYDRA, and turned it into an unnecessarily convoluted and complicated mess.

2. It's yet another tired "deconstruction" comic.

3. The writer seems to be more interested in leaving his "mark" on the characters instead of insuring that the characters are left in a position for future creators to use.

4. The book is not "new reader friendly". A new reader can't pick up each issue of this series and immediately know (a) who these characters are and what they can do or (b) what the heck is going on in this series.

5. The pointless killing off of characters that the writer did not create. I especially thought that the killing off of Gabe Jones (one of Marvel's first positive heroic black characters) was both unnecessary and a Hollywood style cliche.

[maniacmatt]

Loved the article. And this?

I wish I could work on it for you, but I've been writing these imaginary conversations between the early Avengers and myself, and that will probably be my magnum opus, so, you know, get off my back.

Best sentence ever.

[Leocomix]

I couldn't agree more with Tim. I've been taking over the indexing of the Secret Warriors title for the GCD and I figured that it doesn't feature the Secret Warriors but Nick Fury. Actually there are no Secret Warriors, that team is called the White Team, leaving us to wonder "what does Secret Warriors refer to?"
And it refers to the spies, it's not the name of the team and that's as well because it was a stupid name.
This is a bastard title for sure. It started as a new teen superhero team like we've seen so many but even if they have superpowers they're not superheroes, they are like the telepaths in S.H.I.E.L.D., special operatives.

[maniacmatt]

I couldn't agree more with Tim. I've been taking over the indexing of the Secret Warriors title for the GCD and I figured that it doesn't feature the Secret Warriors but Nick Fury. Actually there are no Secret Warriors, that team is called the White Team, leaving us to wonder "what does Secret Warriors refer to?"
And it refers to the spies, it's not the name of the team and that's as well because it was a stupid name.
This is a bastard title for sure. It started as a new teen superhero team like we've seen so many but even if they have superpowers they're not superheroes, they are like the telepaths in S.H.I.E.L.D., special operatives.

That's a good observation, actually. You're totally right.