Deadpool Discussion Thread "Breaking the Fourth Wall"

[killerbass]

Deadpool Classic 2-4. It's Joe Kelly's run, which is leaps and bounds above everyone elses. You can skip DP Classic 1 as it includes just one Kelly issue, and it's the weakest of his whole run, in my opinion.

#1 was weak, but not the worst.

Other than that, I totally agree with you!

--Tom

[Mechano]

I think the Deadpool character is cool. I just think that today's writers aren't natural-born comedians so the stuff they write isn't exactly funny. It's like some of them took notes from Looney Tunes.

you are spot on. I just looked at the preview for Deadpool Annual #1, and it looks like something out of Tom & Jerry. More Merc, less mouth please.

[Bookem Danno]

In issue 36 the art was pretty good! I am curious -

Who is Leroy Jenkins?
Who is Sluggo?
Why would Blind Al want to kill DP?
Is that Death or a hallucination DP meets?
Does DP go and meet friends with X-Force after this conclusion?

[SinisterKat]

In issue 36 the art was pretty good! I am curious -

Who is Leroy Jenkins?
Who is Sluggo?
Why would Blind Al want to kill DP?
Is that Death or a hallucination DP meets?
Does DP go and meet friends with X-Force after this conclusion?

- The Leeroy Jenkins (or just Leeroy for short) is a specific type of noob who has no patience for complicated plans, preferring to leap into the fray and start bashing heads or blasting away at random.
- I'm not entirely sure why Sluggo would have a grudge against DP...unless it was the whole Vanessa thing...maybe he's angry with DP for her death.
- Because he kept her prisoner and tortured her for years.
- That's Death...she has a thing for Deadpool because she can't have him. She visits periodically.
- no idea.

As a side note, I also have no idea why Big Bertha would want him dead...he's really not done anything too horrible to her (for him anyway).Or Tasky for that matter...he's always kind of liked Wade...

[killerbass]

As a side note, I also have no idea why Big Bertha would want him dead...he's really not done anything too horrible to her (for him anyway).Or Tasky for that matter...he's always kind of liked Wade...

My theory: lazy writing.

--Tom

[DaUltimateSheild]

- The Leeroy Jenkins (or just Leeroy for short) is a specific type of noob who has no patience for complicated plans, preferring to leap into the fray and start bashing heads or blasting away at random.
- I'm not entirely sure why Sluggo would have a grudge against DP...unless it was the whole Vanessa thing...maybe he's angry with DP for her death.
- Because he kept her prisoner and tortured her for years.
- That's Death...she has a thing for Deadpool because she can't have him. She visits periodically.
- no idea.

As a side note, I also have no idea why Big Bertha would want him dead...he's really not done anything too horrible to her (for him anyway).Or Tasky for that matter...he's always kind of liked Wade...

Taskmaster has Long term memory loss.

it most likely went down like this


Gomez: "i hear you have probloms with Deadpool"
Tasky: "uh... yeah, hate the guy!"
Gomez: "lets Go Kick his Ass!"
Tasky: "sure...."

[pariah-1972]

I think the Deadpool character is cool. I just think that today's writers aren't natural-born comedians so the stuff they write isn't exactly funny. It's like some of them took notes from Looney Tunes.

Well you know.... i don't see anything wrong with that i mean if you are gonna steal you better steal from the best.

[NYAvenger15]

Yeah sometimes it seems like they try to hard to make deadpool fuuny. Same with Spier-Man. I think Spider-Man is more annoying with it though.

[Lord Bravery]

The last issue was terrible. Bringing in a load of old supporting characters to appease the fans... then writing them out of character does not make good writing.

Blind Al? Why the hell would she want to kill Deadpool? She's the closest thing he's ever had to a mother. There is a reason why she didn't leave him when he set her free...

Taskmaster? Yea he hates Wade. But he respects him. And he wouldn't just go "Oh hey strange alien i've never met before! You want my help to go kill Deadpool even though i don't know you? OK! Sounds good!"

No, Taskmaster would either want a hansome paycheck... or he'd just kill this schlub. Why would he show more loyalty to a complete stranger who is offering him nothing in return than Deadpool? If Taskmaster wanted to take Deadpool out, he'd do it. He wouldn't need some ridiculously named, ridiculously designed space alien to help him.

Weasel, I would understand, because of that whole Las Vegas thing. But guess who wrote that Last Vegas arc? Oh yea! It was Daniel Way! And that arc was just a steaming pile of garbage too. Deadpool acting like an asshole to his best friend because...? Errr... yea, why did he completely stitch Weasel up again? Oh right yea, because Deadpool wanted a job as the Casinos security. But oh wait! He quit that job the very next issue...

And what was the purpose of this fucking issue anyway? Oh what, Deadpool acts like a complete asshole to his friends because... he wants them to kill him? SERIOUSLY?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!!?!?! See, it pretends to be deep. But it's just so simplistic and false. A child could write this shit. And it's also playing fast and loose with Deadpools past and his relationships with his former supporting characters.

Is anyone else seeing a pattern here? Or am I the only one who sees that Daniel Way just does not know what he is doing right now? For the last, i'd say 20 issues this series has just been going no where. Trotting out gimmicks and scattershot humour to cover up the fact that yea, the series really is doing nothing to add to the Deadpool character or mythos. In fact it's taking away from the character. Deadpool is not a complete retard. And sure the book is trying to say he's not a moron, it's trying to play it off as "he's crazy, he has brain damage" but no, he's a moron. Deadpool was never a moron. He wasn't even really that crazy. He was messed up in the head, he was a social retard, nihilistic, a bit of a douche bag... but underneath it all, he really had a heart. Even though he sometimes treated his friends bad, it wasn't actually because he was an asshole. It was because he was so socially inept and bitter about the shitty cards life dealt him he didn't really know how to act around people or be a nice person.

Deadpool wants to be a bad ass pirate.
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool tries to be a hero.
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool tries to prove he's a bad ass so he can get a job at a casino.(completely stitching up his best friend along the way)
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool tries to prove he is the most bad ass merc on Earth.
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool goes into space to prove he is the most bad ass merc... in space?
Gets bored of it.

And so on and so forth. People actually think this is good writing? That this is adding anything to the Deadpool character? I mean, even the times where Deadpool has a bit of self reflection it's played more for laughs. He'll have a little discussion with his inner monologues.

"You're an asshole dude" "Really?" "Yea he's right" "I think i'm a bit crazy too" "No... you're a lot crazy Wade". Oh give me a fucking break.

Oh, and let's not forget the fact that Way relies on the "chevoks gun" thing in pretty much every single story arc.

In all honesty, this latest arc coming up gives me a little glimmer of hope. But you know what it'll be. Deadpool doing crazy things to piss off Hulk so that Hulk kills him. Hulk won't kill him. The end.

Deadpool books of old, were just great books. You look at his old solo series. It had real stories, with real endings (not just Deadpool getting bored). It had REAL character development. The Deadpool character grew. And they were funny too. Deadpool disguising himself as Ricardo Montalban and visiting Monte Carlo, ripping off Batroc the Leaper as he goes? That's funny. Deadpool going back in time to the swinging 60s, disguising himself as Peter Parker and mingling with his friends, taking the piss out of Norman Osborn's hair? That's funny. Deadpool being given the face of Tom Cruise, then doing a series of violent things to destroy his face? That's funny. And in all those cases, Deadpool actually learnt something at the end of the day, he grew as a character.

Way's books, they're just slapstick nonsense that pretend to be deep. They have the pretense of development, but they really don't. Way has probably got a little check list of different crazy things every time he rights a script and throws them in there for no reason other than to try and get a laugh. Doesn't really matter if they make sense to the story or not. If it's crazy, he throws it in there. Why? Well because it's Deadpool silly! Ugh. Worst case of this was at the start of the Secret Avengers arc. He wants to be a hero right? Well why did he just shoot that guy in the face because his Taco got burnt? Oh i know, because Deadpool loves Tacos! That's really funny! Get it?

[killerbass]

The last issue was terrible. Bringing in a load of old supporting characters to appease the fans... then writing them out of character does not make good writing.

Blind Al? Why the hell would she want to kill Deadpool? She's the closest thing he's ever had to a mother. There is a reason why she didn't leave him when he set her free...

Taskmaster? Yea he hates Wade. But he respects him. And he wouldn't just go "Oh hey strange alien i've never met before! You want my help to go kill Deadpool even though i don't know you? OK! Sounds good!"

No, Taskmaster would either want a hansome paycheck... or he'd just kill this schlub. Why would he show more loyalty to a complete stranger who is offering him nothing in return than Deadpool? If Taskmaster wanted to take Deadpool out, he'd do it. He wouldn't need some ridiculously named, ridiculously designed space alien to help him.

Weasel, I would understand, because of that whole Las Vegas thing. But guess who wrote that Last Vegas arc? Oh yea! It was Daniel Way! And that arc was just a steaming pile of garbage too. Deadpool acting like an asshole to his best friend because...? Errr... yea, why did he completely stitch Weasel up again? Oh right yea, because Deadpool wanted a job as the Casinos security. But oh wait! He quit that job the very next issue...

And what was the purpose of this fucking issue anyway? Oh what, Deadpool acts like a complete asshole to his friends because... he wants them to kill him? SERIOUSLY?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!!?!?! See, it pretends to be deep. But it's just so simplistic and false. A child could write this shit. And it's also playing fast and loose with Deadpools past and his relationships with his former supporting characters.

Is anyone else seeing a pattern here? Or am I the only one who sees that Daniel Way just does not know what he is doing right now? For the last, i'd say 20 issues this series has just been going no where. Trotting out gimmicks and scattershot humour to cover up the fact that yea, the series really is doing nothing to add to the Deadpool character or mythos. In fact it's taking away from the character. Deadpool is not a complete retard. And sure the book is trying to say he's not a moron, it's trying to play it off as "he's crazy, he has brain damage" but no, he's a moron. Deadpool was never a moron. He wasn't even really that crazy. He was messed up in the head, he was a social retard, nihilistic, a bit of a douche bag... but underneath it all, he really had a heart. Even though he sometimes treated his friends bad, it wasn't actually because he was an asshole. It was because he was so socially inept he didn't really know how to act around people.

Deadpool wants to be a bad ass pirate.
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool tries to be a hero.
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool tries to prove he's a bad ass so he can get a job at a casino.(completely stitching up his best friend along the way)
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool tries to prove he is the most bad ass merc on Earth.
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool goes into space to prove he is the most bad ass merc... in space?
Gets bored of it.

And so on and so forth. People actually think this is good writing? That this is adding anything to the Deadpool character? I mean, even the times where Deadpool has a bit of self reflection it's played more for laughs. He'll have a little discussion with his inner monologues.

"You're an asshole dude" "Really?" "Yea he's right" "I think i'm a bit crazy too" "No... you're a lot crazy Wade". Oh give me a fucking break.

Oh, and let's not forget the fact that Way relies on the "chevoks gun" thing in pretty much every single story arc.

In all honesty, this latest arc coming up gives me a little glimmer of hope. But you know what it'll be. Deadpool doing crazy things to piss off Hulk so that Hulk kills him. Hulk won't kill him. The end.

I couldn't agree more.

I feel like my love for Deadpool is being tested. I used to be giddy on the Wednesdays when Cable & Deadpool was released. Now, I hardly care.

--Tom

[pariah-1972]

[QUOTE=Lord Bravery;13105230]The last issue was terrible. Bringing in a load of old supporting characters to appease the fans... then writing them out of character does not make good writing.

Blind Al? Why the hell would she want to kill Deadpool? She's the closest thing he's ever had to a mother. There is a reason why she didn't leave him when he set her free...

cause he had her trapped and imprisoned for the longest time?

Taskmaster? Yea he hates Wade. But he respects him. And he wouldn't just go "Oh hey strange alien i've never met before! You want my help to go kill Deadpool even though i don't know you? OK! Sounds good!"

Like he has ever needed a reason to kill Wade before

No, Taskmaster would either want a hansome paycheck... or he'd just kill this schlub. Why would he show more loyalty to a complete stranger who is offering him nothing in return than Deadpool? If Taskmaster wanted to take Deadpool out, he'd do it. He wouldn't need some ridiculously named, ridiculously designed space alien to help him.

Weasel, I would understand, because of that whole Las Vegas thing. But guess who wrote that Last Vegas arc? Oh yea! It was Daniel Way! And that arc was just a steaming pile of garbage too. Deadpool acting like an asshole to his best friend because...? Errr... yea, why did he completely stitch Weasel up again? Oh right yea, because Deadpool wanted a job as the Casinos security. But oh wait! He quit that job the very next issue...

Deadpool has always been shitty to his friends and he quit the job because he doesn't want the responsibility.


And what was the purpose of this fucking issue anyway? Oh what, Deadpool acts like a complete asshole to his friends because... he wants them to kill him? SERIOUSLY?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!!?!?! See, it pretends to be deep. But it's just so simplistic and false. A child could write this shit. And it's also playing fast and loose with Deadpools past and his relationships with his former supporting characters.

Is anyone else seeing a pattern here? Or am I the only one who sees that Daniel Way just does not know what he is doing right now? For the last, i'd say 20 issues this series has just been going no where. Trotting out gimmicks and scattershot humour to cover up the fact that yea, the series really is doing nothing to add to the Deadpool character or mythos. In fact it's taking away from the character. Deadpool is not a complete retard. And sure the book is trying to say he's not a moron, it's trying to play it off as "he's crazy, he has brain damage" but no, he's a moron. Deadpool was never a moron. He wasn't even really that crazy. He was messed up in the head, he was a social retard, nihilistic, a bit of a douche bag... but underneath it all, he really had a heart. Even though he sometimes treated his friends bad, it wasn't actually because he was an asshole. It was because he was so socially inept he didn't really know how to act around people.

Sounds like one aspect of Deadpool.

Deadpool wants to be a bad ass pirate.
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool tries to be a hero.
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool tries to prove he's a bad ass so he can get a job at a casino.(completely stitching up his best friend along the way)
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool tries to prove he is the most bad ass merc on Earth.
Gets bored of it.
Deadpool goes into space to prove he is the most bad ass merc... in space?
Gets bored of it.

that is something a lot of people can relate to honestly he wants to be somebody different but he doesn't have the patience to go thru with it.
The one thing he has always been good at is being a Merc but he doesn't want to be that anymore.

And so on and so forth. People actually think this is good writing? That this is adding anything to the Deadpool character? I mean, even the times where Deadpool has a bit of self reflection it's played more for laughs. He'll have a little discussion with his inner monologues.

"You're an asshole dude" "Really?" "Yea he's right" "I think i'm a bit crazy too" "No... you're a lot crazy Wade". Oh give me a fucking break.

Oh, and let's not forget the fact that Way relies on the "chevoks gun" thing in pretty much every single story arc.

In all honesty, this latest arc coming up gives me a little glimmer of hope. But you know what it'll be. Deadpool doing crazy things to piss off Hulk so that Hulk kills him. Hulk won't kill him. The end

you know you might have some valid points in here somewhere but your ranty posts are not really helping to convince me.

Daniel Way may not be the best Deadpool writer out there but of all the other Deadpool books his is by far the best.

[Lord Bravery]

Deadpool MAX pisses all over Daniel Way's book. Daniel Way can only dream of being David Lapham.

And yea it was a bit of a rant, but this is frustration that has built up over a long period of time. Sorry

And no, Blind Al wouldn't want to kill Deadpool. You wanna know why Deadpool kept her at his house for the longest time? Well it's because Deadpool was originally supposed to kill her... but he didn't. And they grew into a twisted, mother son thing. Way just brought her in to try and appease the fans... but he doesn't have a clue about what he is doing. So it fell flat.

Sorry, what do you mean "sounds like one aspect"? I've just listed multiple aspects of the Deadpool character. None of which Way understands. Tell me, what has Daniel Way actually brought to the table? What has he added to the Deadpool character? Apart from giving him duel monologue boxes?

You say Deadpool has always been shitty to his friends? Well, yea. But it's not just for the sake of it. There is a lot of psychological issues with the character. He's socially retarded. He doesn't really know how to treat his friends, because he is afraid to get too close to people. He is a bitter, sad man who wants to be loved, but at the same time is afraid of it. He masks this with an act of bravado and "bad assness".

And no, the getting bored with things is just lazy writing. Way can't think of proper ways to end stories so he just goes "Oh, Deadpool gets bored easily".

[pariah-1972]

I'm sorry you think a comic book that has Bob hiding some sort of knife in his own dried up feces inside a toilet is good writing?

[Lord Bravery]

So you haven't actually read Deadpool MAX apart from the first issue then?

And he actually made a mold of a key in the feces ;)

It's "transgressional fiction". Look it up. It's not ashamed to use things that are pretty shocking to create a story and set the tone. But honestly, if you think all there is to Deadpool MAX is stuff like that, then i'm sorry for you. It's polarizing, it's shocking, it's not to some peoples tastes. Most definitely. But if you can look past all that shocking stuff, it's actually a brilliant character study and interesting, twisty conspiracy story that isn't afraid to address issues like racism/bigotry, psychological damage from childhood abuse and human experimentation head on.

The third issue with a neo nazi Baron Zemo is just brilliant, intelligent satire. And the lastest issue, 7, is amazing.

There is actually more depth in 7 issues of Deadpool MAX than there is in 36 issues of Daniel Way's series.

[DaUltimateSheild]

MAx isn't Any good thogh, it snot "clever" its just a waste, Bravery your trying to pain a turd gold, and its not working, their is no depth its just another generic deadpool book

Their not deep, their just a mess