Jean Grey Appreciation III

**joshtylen** · 04-29-2012, 08:05 PM

The Phoenix Force is a cosmic force of destruction and rebirth. It destroys dying/diseased worlds and if it sees fit it will restart new life from it. Every writer seems to have their own interpretation so that's why readers are confused. In New X-Men she survives burning in the sun by releasing the phoenix consciousness and flies back to earth only to be killed??? In Endsong the Shiar show how wake the phoenix force to destroy it but only manage to shatter it into a million pieces. A piece of the phoenix manages to make it to earth and resurrect Jean's body. At the end of Endsong Jean fully merges with that piece and goes to the white hot room to look for the other pieces.

"I'm always Jean. And I'm always the Phoenix. I died. I scattered in a trillion directions. And then started to pull together again, outside the White Hot Room. But I'm starting to see now. Parts of me... Parts of me never came home."

**ZNOP** · 04-29-2012, 08:28 PM

And, to think... For years I was under the impression that the "Phoenix Force" was a mutable manifestation of the prime universal force of life and passion... Go, figure.

**Phoenix Egg** · 04-29-2012, 09:00 PM

It was actually Xorneto that shattered her.

The bird-brains then sort of brought her back together and shattered her again.

**KurtW95** · 04-29-2012, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by joshtylen

The Phoenix Force is a cosmic force of destruction and rebirth. It destroys dying/diseased worlds and if it sees fit it will restart new life from it. Every writer seems to have their own interpretation so that's why readers are confused. In New X-Men she survives burning in the sun by releasing the phoenix consciousness and flies back to earth only to be killed??? In Endsong the Shiar show how wake the phoenix force to destroy it but only manage to shatter it into a million pieces. A piece of the phoenix manages to make it to earth and resurrect Jean's body. At the end of Endsong Jean fully merges with that piece and goes to the white hot room to look for the other pieces.

"I'm always Jean. And I'm always the Phoenix. I died. I scattered in a trillion directions. And then started to pull together again, outside the White Hot Room. But I'm starting to see now. Parts of me... Parts of me never came home."

Endsong was good, and needs to be kept in canon. AvX acts like it never happened. Then again "continuity" has always been a foreign word to Bendis.

**Phoenix Egg** · 04-29-2012, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by KurtW95

Endsong was good, and needs to be kept in canon. AvX acts like it never happened. Then again "continuity" has always been a foreign word to Bendis.

Go ask Tom Brevoort if Endsong is still in canon. Lulz will ensue.

**5cents** · 04-30-2012, 08:57 AM

Looks like they are now making the phoenix connected to everything.

**perdid06** · 04-30-2012, 09:14 AM

We really are at a turning point now... Jean have been "dead for nearly 10 years, a new generation of readers came in who never read Jean in continuity...reading different posts on other forums, there is a lot of negativity about Jean, nearly hate, actually I feel that jean and her fans are now bullied....
People like Quesada and brevoort have been really dismissive and aggressive to jean fans and doing so they made most readers think that Jean is so uncool.... and now they have started to completely robe Jean of what she was...They started to completely deconstruct her heritage.
AVSX have completely ignored most of the continuity and jean history, even more it erased it, Brevoort have aggressively responded to questions about jean involvement in AVX by saying she is "DEAD" why don't you bloody get it?
They are completely ignoring Endsong and all the hints of the last few years, in Endsong Jean clearly access the white hot room to collect all her fragments..., but after that the sisterhood horrible storyline reconned that Jean body was still in her grave and now AVX cement that by virtually saying Jean was just one host of the phoenix, one between many(recently adding FUNGHI or whatever her name is to that long list).
Jean is not special anymore, she is not the white phoenix, the crown, she is just another red head(because now the phoenix seem to have a particular taste for red head) a pathetic host who couldn't control the phoenix and had to kill herself to stop it...And that didn't even work...Forgotten all the time when Jean saved the universe using the power, forgotten all the time she was perfectly in control, forgotten "we are one", forgotten her very intimate connection with the force...what is left is a pathetic host who couldn't control the phoenix and died... For the phoenix to go another red head...
AVX show no understanding at all of the Phoenix force...It's like the writers never read anything about the phoenix, it's so bad it's beyond belief....they are pretending that all storyline since M day are leading that that!!!so they had years to prepare, make sure everything make sense, and we getting that???there is no excuses for bad writing!!!

And now to have Brevoort getting angry because fans demand for continuity to be respected is just hypocritical.... they have no sense of continuity, it's just really bad, bad writing, you cannot choose and pick, they don't own the x-men, they just hold the right to write them now....they have to respect the rich tapestry that make the x-men what they are... if they don't it's just fan fiction and a really bad one...
AVX read like a big promo for the Avengers movie, no X-men continuity or characters are respected here, they went out of their way to disminish Jean to a background character dead for years....after all the hints and "keep an eye on the little girl with red hair" once again we have been taken for fools... and we are bullied because we dare asking and wondering about Jean in this events???? they dragged us along for years, taking our money, because we had "hope " that that was the big story leading to Jean return... instead of that, that AVX event is the final assassination of Jean Grey, the obliteration of her history... and that is much worse than death in comics....

I really hope no Jean's fan will carry on buying AVX...."LET'S BOYCOTT THAT EVENT"... Can you resist buying it????

**joshtylen** · 04-30-2012, 10:46 AM

This fragment seems to be the part of Jean that loved Scott and loved the X-Men.

**GambitXRemy** · 04-30-2012, 10:56 AM

funghi, jean and hope are they the same person

**5cents** · 04-30-2012, 03:26 PM

Not sure yet, Marvel loves their clones though. Spidermans, Thors, Hulks, Claw characters etc

**Spider-Dragon** · 04-30-2012, 03:47 PM

Jean Grey will be whole again once the PF possess Hope in AvX.

Endsong and everything since then is still canon.

**Henry T.** · 04-30-2012, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by perdid06

I really hope no Jean's fan will carry on buying AVX...."LET'S BOYCOTT THAT EVENT"... Can you resist buying it????

Trust me, I'm not buying it.

**Spider-Dragon** · 04-30-2012, 04:22 PM

Marvel loves misdirection.

What if they are just making it seem that Jean isn't coming back only to have her come back in the end?

**The_Greatest_Username** · 04-30-2012, 05:07 PM

If Jean Grey does come back I'll go back and buy the issues. Until then I will not be paying any attention to AvX. I'm not buying any Marvel books in fact. I'll be waiting for the Scarlet Witch to get her roster slot in Avengers.