Tyler Crook Looks Like a Beyond Capable BPRD Talent

[Kees_L]

but hey, "bash the new guy" is not only fun, it's often warranted.

Well Jason, I trust you know to be mistaken in both these statements here,
as you may note how this public forum would be "hosted" through CBR, which means that unlike certain other CBR-forums,
A) this one is supposed to be but civil both as child-friendly;
B) this one is the forum which mr Mike Mignola affiliates himself with, as via his own website www.artofmikemignola.com.

Out of which would follow that only somehow constructive or reasonable responsive discourse would be welcomed and not any kind of moping, offensiveness or otherwise derogatory utterings, welcomed, as by me at least.

Also, what in actuality would be warranted, would be having the likes of potentially anybody to be appreciating this forum, both professionals as fans alike, including any editors or artists themselves, I would think.

Just sayin'.

[Jason Abbadon]

Well Jason, I trust you know to be mistaken in both these statements here,
as you may note how this public forum would be "hosted" through CBR, which means that unlike certain other CBR-forums,
A) this one is supposed to be but civil both as child-friendly;
B) this one is the forum which mr Mike Mignola affiliates himself with, as via his own website www.artofmikemignola.com.

Out of which would follow that only somehow constructive or reasonable responsive discourse would be welcomed and not any kind of moping, offensiveness or otherwise derogatory utterings, welcomed, as by me at least.

Also, what in actuality would be warranted, would be having the likes of potentially anybody to be appreciating this forum, both professionals as fans alike, including any editors or artists themselves, I would think.

Just sayin'.

Obviously I was kidding (as the very post before your own clearly shows)- but my own complaints (as others) about the eyes stand and are valid.

It's not "bashing" to point those out, but even valid critique can go too far- like how the "Monsters" thread is almost entirely about the art and not the story- the point I was making.

For the record, no one was "bashing" anything- that would inply assualts on the man himself, not valid opinion on his work- no one here got near that point.

EDIT:thinking on it..we should be a tough and exacting crowd.
Not unfair or anything, but I dont feel an echo chamber of praise is useful to anyone.
After all, this is a forum, not a fansite.

[Kees_L]

Obviously I was kidding (as the very post before your own clearly shows)- but my own complaints (as others) about the eyes stand and are valid.

It's not "bashing" to point those out, but even valid critique can go too far- like how the "Monsters" thread is almost entirely about the art and not the story- the point I was making.

For the record, no one was "bashing" anything- that would inply assualts on the man himself, not valid opinion on his work- no one here got near that point.

EDIT:thinking on it..we should be a tough and exacting crowd.
Not unfair or anything, but I dont feel an echo chamber of praise is useful to anyone.
After all, this is a forum, not a fansite.

Well I can only feel glad you were kidding.
And I agree that mostly none of the posts on this forum would seem bashing ones.

Whenever Hellboy- or Mignola-related topics get presented or started on the Independents-forum due to being special CBR features, it's amazing how much posts may come to be differing in tone or either intent - as a good number of the posts on there sound as being made by obnoxiously loud angry folk - sounding angry or discontented much more rather than to be serving actually notable opinion I'd say. Sounding more like random Youtube-comments.

And for reading any such I can feel glad for the Hellboard to be sounding much more laidback both as serving meritable discourse more rather.


But on the other hand, although I'd be all for allowing anyone their opinions, I guess I generally would not take kindly to any all-to-eagerly negative or non-empathic posts, refusant of minding actual actualities and such: if one is to be conveying their opinions or points on a forum or letter section, then they better do so with being both smart or mindful as well as polite about it, since such wouldn't cost hardly more than getting bashful or heartily rantive about anything.
Since mindfulness both as politeness would make any opinion or discourse only better, either negative or positive ones plus anything in between.

Like making sense - doing so or at least trying to will just always be better than not.

So again, I can rejoice in the meritableness and civility which generally seems to be typifying this Hellboard as is .

[Jason Abbadon]

The big difference between this forum and, say, a letters column, is that this is pretty unfiltered- generally we have the raw reaction to something posted- usually it's very positive but in this case, for a number of reasons, the general tone was negative (if polite).

Eh...while polite discourse is to be the ideal, we should not let ourselves get too think skinned either.

This is the Internet after all- where everyone has an opinion but only mine is right.

P.S.- If I throw an emoticon on a sentence, please assume I'm joking.
Saves misunderstandings that way.

[Kees_L]

The big difference between this forum and, say, a letters column, is that this is pretty unfiltered- generally we have the raw reaction to something posted- usually it's very positive but in this case, for a number of reasons, the general tone was negative (if polite).

Eh...while polite discourse is to be the ideal, we should not let ourselves get too think skinned either.

This is the Internet after all- where everyone has an opinion but only mine is right.

P.S.- If I throw an emoticon on a sentence, please assume I'm joking.
Saves misunderstandings that way.

Well the thing is that basic politeness or good-natured-ness or even respectfulness won't be confining anyone in having opinions, nor in saying what they'd mean, nor in being to be crackin' jokes - with or without emoticons present.

It's like you say yourself: "if polite", or 'if gentle' or 'appropriate'. Even if it would be tha Internet.
Why post anything onto the Internet at all, if it wasn't for signifying something or other in a certain way? Like jokes would be for there being fun to them?
Opinions will be valid, but only as long as they get put forth as being such:
say you don't like dots for eyes and that'll be fine.
But say "dots for eyes are not supposed to happen in BPRD comics" and you'd not be having to be right any longer. Since Guy Davis wasn't fired for doing dots for eyes? Just take one gander at Daryl. Or the Bah/Moon boys? They weren't fired, no, they were specifically picked for being useful artists onto the BPRD.

And I would say calling people out for what they'd mean in their posts, or commenting on how it would be early days for writing off artists for having their styles wrong on account of 'dots for eyes', would simply be a valid point to make, just like the next joke.

"Knock knock." "Who's there?" "Your thick skin, that's what's there!" - que emoticon: (ZING!)

Opinions and jokes will of course be fine, as long as they could be seen as being that - since this would be a forum, something public.
On the Internet it will only help to be addressing any stuff accordingly, even jokes or opinions, with aptly remaining as respectful or polite as possible.
That wouldn't only be my opinion, but my experience, also regarding my own postings. If communications via the Internet might prove more fickle than just being face-to-face, then communications should be made to work accordingly, is what I'm saying.

I mean I don't like the X-Men mostly - should I go over to the X-forum and just flat out be telling it to the people there? That their books would suck? I'm somehow opting out of such. As if I'd rather post on stuff I'd like. Where, should I come to be disliking anything or other, I'd not be making it my mission to have any such be made undone, instead I'll just be of my own mind, keeping away from making blatant assumptions or binaries to follow, with leaving it to anyone else to be judging stuff for themselves.
Better that way, 's all.

[Jason Abbadon]

I mean I don't like the X-Men mostly - should I go over to the X-forum and just flat out be telling it to the people there? That their books would suck? I'm somehow opting out of such. As if I'd rather post on stuff I'd like. Where, should I come to be disliking anything or other, I'd not be making it my mission to have any such be made undone, instead I'll just be of my own mind, keeping away from making blatant assumptions or binaries to follow, with leaving it to anyone else to be judging stuff for themselves.
Better that way, 's all.

Well, that's not quite the same- posting negative comments to rile people up is just trolling.

Commenting on art while always subjective, as long as the poster is not bashing the artist on a personal level, I think the comments are as valid as anyone else's (if not always as nice).
Artists have to deal with the fact that no matter who they are, someone will hate their stuff.

I'm not at that level with Crook's art, but I'm hoping he develops like guy did (and Guy's art was a big shock when I first saw it! I thought his faces were sodamn ugly- the women in particular! Liz looked awful compared to her prior appearances- so not sexy!).

But the other thing about online posting is that dry humor can come across as a mean spirited attack- misunderstandings occasionally happen.

[Kees_L]

Jason, Jayce, the J-ster...

I'm starting to fear this particular exchange of ours borders the kicking of a dead horse senselessly, but lemme try just one more time:

negative opinions won't be the problem really (or much any true dry wit). Say you don't like stuff and that'll be fine.
Say you don't like dots for eyes - fine. But say "dots for eyes ARE wrong" and that will be something else.

Sure commenting on art would be subjective, but allowing yourself to at least come to terms with any artistic change will more rather be just a good thing objectively for anyone.
It won't be subjective that Guy Davis is now doing other things and it is not subjective that professional people in charge of appointing creatives decided to welcome TC on board, based on skill and talent and apparent compatibility.

You wondered how opinions or responses could become to be or seem somehow not valid in the eyes of other people and I answered that by repeating another poster, saying how it would be too early days for any "writing off the new artist altogether" based on one comic coming out.

In fear of the aforementioned horse's corpse (plus I'm wearing my good boots here) I'll just be sticking to it.
Thanks for your understanding...

[Middenway]

Here's a new interview: http://www.palleschmidt.com/2011/09/...grook.html?m=1

[Jason Abbadon]

Jason, Jayce, the J-ster...

I'm starting to fear this particular exchange of ours borders the kicking of a dead horse senselessly.

Lets agree that dots for eyes should be reserved exclusively for the drawing of dead horses (an inevitibility when drawing BPRD, so wait for it).



As an aside, the art in the above linked interview looks really damn great so I doubt this "dot eye" issue will become a recurring thread topic.

Thanks for the link Middenway! It's always nice to see artists that dont go usually down the digital route- being able to draw sequential art should be the foundation of the comics experience....and Tyler obviously has that down.

[Kees_L]

Lets agree that dots for eyes should be reserved exclusively for the drawing of dead horses (an inevitibility when drawing BPRD, so wait for it).



As an aside, the art in the above linked interview looks really damn great so I doubt this "dot eye" issue will become a recurring thread topic.

HAH!

Excellent, Jason.

As for the aside: darnit-to-heck-n-back if that ain't the truth! Masterful panels in there by that new Crook-chap! Who knew?

[Jason Abbadon]

Yes the art is looking quite good in the preview- the street scene is very impressive to me- drawing cityscapes that look like real places is something a lot of comic artists are just not good at....and it was what so endeared me to Guy Davis.
His places breathed...even though each new BPRD artist seems to put an extra ten pounds on poor Kate's face.

I guess it's age- it's been about what? Fifteen years since she joined up? Making her mid-40's at best.

[Middenway]

...even though each new BPRD artist seems to put an extra ten pounds on poor Kate's face.

I guess it's age- it's been about what? Fifteen years since she joined up? Making her mid-40's at best.

I wouldn't have it any other way. I love Kate, and if Tyler Crook had drawn her thin, I would've been furious. She's 49 at the very least, and I love that she's a major character in a major comic. I want to read about more characters like her. Even Liz is at least 45. And I really like that the drawing reflects their maturity.

[Kees_L]

...even though each new BPRD artist seems to put an extra ten pounds on poor Kate's face.

I guess it's age- it's been about what? Fifteen years since she joined up? Making her mid-40's at best.

No way.
Kate is fifty or nigh it, and Liz over 45.

Plus it's just really great to see people looking good but not in a strictly FUBAR teenager-complex kind of way.
The "prom-queen look" or "thirty looking like twenty" or "hot-or-not" will just not be the only looks out there, or they'd be what's making lots of mainstream comics both as Hollywood flicks be to look hella phony, I'd say.

Plus Kate looking like Kate is remindant of a certain someone.

[Jason Abbadon]

Were I Kate, I'd have gone all "commando"- she'd got access to all sorts of military training if she wants it and we know she's badass in a crunch (finger anyone?).

I'd love to see her display some of the fighting moves Abe pulled on my "Shaolin Monk" from Gilfrid's hideaway.
I never laughed so hard at a comic in my life was watching Abe casually trash that bozo!

[Big_H]

Why people judge one pin-up or a movie's teaser trailer is beyond me.

It's like watching a bunch of bratty children jump up and down saying "I want it now!"

Everyone is entitled to there opinions but learn some patience before you go judging some one else's hard work.