CBR: Cup O' Joe - Feb 18, 2011

[CBR News]

Marvel Comics SVP of Publishing Tom Brevoort welcomes writer Ed Brubaker for a titanic team-up interview revealing the creation of the Winter Soldier, the secret origin of "Fear Itself" and the future of Captain America.


Full article here.

[IronStarks]

lol Moose Knight

[Hrist]

lol Moose Knight

I chuckled at that a bit too. I hope you aren't mad at me, Moose!!

I'm interested to see how this new back-up thing will play out. I've liked the addition of a back-up to books, lately, and I liked how the Jim Gordon story in Detective ran parallel to Dick's— this seems like something even more involved than that, so, yeah, excited to see how that works.

[Sabrewulf]

I dont really get it with Brubaker. He has some nice ideas and can obviously write a storm but he just takes himself too seriously for a superhero comic book writer.

The characters just seem to lack personality and his books just come off a little bland because of this.

I would love to see him work with a co-writer who is a little more 'fun'.

[Beast]

He's a great writer on stuff like Captain America, where it's a solo book.

The guy just can't seem to write team books to save his life. Uncanny X-Men and Secret Avengers show that.

My choice on this book to try and make it stand out was to make it much more of a "G.I. Joe" or a "Mission: Impossible" type of a thing where the mission was the main thing. It wasn't about the characters interacting or who was getting enough face time. It was much more about the team as a functional unit on a mission. Whole arcs would go by where you wouldn't see one character or another. It wasn't about that. It was about what the bad guys were doing or what our guys were doing against it. It was set in that "G.I. Joe Vs. Cobra" idea.

Gotta call BS on this one. Given the focus was almost entirely on Steve Rogers. Not "The Mission". It was basically a second Cap book.

[spardyman]

gotta agree on that ross andru comment, it was a really good era.... and "what business does bendis have in other people's contracts"? last time I heard he was just a highly overrated writer and not a contract negotiator.

[Alan Smithee]

Moose Knight! Defending the innocent, patrolling the mean streets of Hamilton, Ontario. Will he join Alpha Flight? His arch-enemy: A right-wing airhead who shoots Mooses with Uzis from helicopters. SinPalin!

Hey, I called easing Rogers into the Cap book with the back story, replacing the Nomad oddity. I could look for the post, but, to paraphrase Umbra, I just don't feel like it.

Wiki is a crutch. Go with your memories and/or hallucinations!

[Beast]

and "what business does bendis have in other people's contracts"? last time I heard he was just a highly overrated writer and not a contract negotiator.

Psst. He's a friend of Ed Brubaker's and knew his contract was coming to an end.

So he pulled some strings at Marvel, to ensure they looked into picking him up. So what?

What's with trying to demonize the guy just because you don't like his work? That's just downright silly.

[jackolover]

It's interesting that Bucky had to find some relevance in the future, if he was brought back from the dead. It required that James have a legacy, a Marvel soap-opery quality, that made him a tragic, and that was the thing that Zemo was used for - to make Bucky aware that he is this evil Avatar, that the Russians had used, and he can't just jump into the world, now that he is alive, and just feel good about himself. Nobody in the super hero world are allowed to feel good about themselves, so why should Bucky, right?

As to the Fear Itself stuff Ed and Tom talked about, I got a real "Hellboy" feel about the story, with the whole NAZI mysticism and occult rituals thing about it. In Hellboy, they brought down Shama Gorath, or some such, a tenticled beast that would turn the world red. In Cap:Reborn Steve Rogers gets a vision of a world turned red and destroyed, and a lot of tripod Technomechs in charge of the earth.

I was also interested in that Steve Rogers wasn't allowed to breathe a sigh of relief when James came back from the dead, other wise it removes all the impetus and drive for the character. Tom insisted that if Ed removes the death of Bucky from Caps psychosis, that it should be replaced by something else. And that something else was to save James from his past as the murderer Winter Soldier. This was just as tragic for Steve as having led a teen to death on his watch.

[Moose967]

Ha ha ha!! I have been christened by Brubaker as the Moose Knight!

I'll take it that 50's Cap is coming back soon.

I can't get over that Moose Knight thing, ha ha!! Thanks Bru!!

[Moose967]

lol Moose Knight

I got a good kick out of it too, ha ha!!

I chuckled at that a bit too. I hope you aren't mad at me, Moose!!

I'm interested to see how this new back-up thing will play out. I've liked the addition of a back-up to books, lately, and I liked how the Jim Gordon story in Detective ran parallel to Dick's— this seems like something even more involved than that, so, yeah, excited to see how that works.

I actually figured you'd get a laugh Hrist!

Moose Knight! Defending the innocent, patrolling the mean streets of Hamilton, Ontario. Will he join Alpha Flight? His arch-enemy: A right-wing airhead who shoots Mooses with Uzis from helicopters. SinPalin!

Hey, I called easing Rogers into the Cap book with the back story, replacing the Nomad oddity. I could look for the post, but, to paraphrase Umbra, I just don't feel like it.

Wiki is a crutch. Go with your memories and/or hallucinations!

You know I'd be all for Bru writing it as long as I get Coipel drawing me saving the world from that psycho Palin, ha ha!!

[Maestro]

I dont really get it with Brubaker. He has some nice ideas and can obviously write a storm but he just takes himself too seriously for a superhero comic book writer.

The characters just seem to lack personality and his books just come off a little bland because of this.

I would love to see him work with a co-writer who is a little more 'fun'.

Bendis is "fun"! He loves superheroes. Of course, Bendis has his own army of haters that read every issue he writes for some reason.

[jackolover]

I dont really get it with Brubaker. He has some nice ideas and can obviously write a storm but he just takes himself too seriously for a superhero comic book writer.

The characters just seem to lack personality and his books just come off a little bland because of this.

I would love to see him work with a co-writer who is a little more 'fun'.

I refused to pick up the first two arcs of Ed's book because it felt so bland, until the Winter Soldier appeared, and then I went back and bought them. The book took off on fire once WS was introduced and because of that, Steve Rogers has become secondary, in my opinion. If Ed had not brought back Bucky, the book would have no interest to me. In the time, while Rogers was "dead", the book took on a completely different life to what it was with Steve. Steve was this tragic who had been written into the ground. I don't think you could have written another story about Steve. But push Steve aside and make him mull over Bucky, and then you have a story. As soon as Bucky came into the picture, Rogers was busting heads way too hard for Sharon Carters liking. It wasn't a Steve Rogers book anymore. It was a Steve Rogers, "What the hell is my WW11 partner doing back?" book.

[Sabrewulf]

Bendis is "fun"! He loves superheroes. Of course, Bendis has his own army of haters that read every issue he writes for some reason.

They should work together because together they might make 1 decent comic book writer.

Bendis lacks ideas and and kind of plot structure which Brubaker might make up for.

The both still lack anything close to the kind of fun soap opera feel, sub plots, cliffhangers and all that got me into Marvel all those years ago.

I depend on Slott, Gage, Van Lente, Peter David and Mccan for that. And amazingly none of them were names architects and they are the only ones in my eyes that have the ability to take on that role.

[charlesjbaserap]

He's a great writer on stuff like Captain America, where it's a solo book.

The guy just can't seem to write team books to save his life. Uncanny X-Men and Secret Avengers show that.

Gotta call BS on this one. Given the focus was almost entirely on Steve Rogers. Not "The Mission". It was basically a second Cap book.

I've gotta say, I agree on every point you just made.

I love most of Cap run (it got a little almost preachy and somewhat bland a bit but whatever) and while I liked Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar in Uncanny and his Secret Avengers so far, he doesn't seem to be able to balance the ensemble cast very well, sticking only to a couple of strong characters with the rest seeming largely interchangeable. SA was almost like Captain America and His Secret Friends than anything else.

It's one of the fears, no pun intended, I have about Fear Itself as a whole because I feel the same way a lot of times about Fraction. Iron Man and Thor are fun reads, but his Uncanny has been all over the place with the bigger cast.