Who can defeat JLUs Amazo

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Well, there is the little issue that dimension dumping a planet isn't necessarily indicative of being able to operate on a cosmic level.

Though in my opinion, I'm not sure what that has to do with his ability or inability to copy Thanos anyway.

It was being used as a measuring stick for his ability to copy power levels such as Thanos. If we only knew exactly how he obtained said power.

[Captain Morgan]

Except logic can be applied to anything.
Even if we cannot think like him, that still means that we can know if he can use his powers or not based on his displayed powers.

Unless he proved capable of picking up someones power and being able to instantly know how to use them with incredible proficiency like Sylar for example. Then, it would make perfect sense for him to be granted full feats of the person he stole the power from.

I'm not saying he gets full feats or competency, as that goes against how his powers work. But there is nothing in the basic Thanos power set/stat package that makes me think he is too much for Amazo to copy.

Well the reasoning is that he isn't made of the thing that allow him to do it. If i was to make a comparison it would be like saying if Superman wasn't a kryptonian anymore would he be given his kryptonian feats without evidence?

I get this, but it still seems fishy to me, given we have no other explanation for how he gained his new powers.

I see this situation more like Superman 1 Million. Clark comes back golden from having a long ass adventure in space, with new powers, and then hops into the sun and turns it into a "super sun" which gives some people PC Superman level powers. While you can argue Superman 1 Million doesn't have new feats, trying to deny his old ones seems arbitrary.

Admittedly though, that example, to the best of our knowledge, doesn't involve not being Kryptonian anymore. Still though, my assumption when watching the show was that Amazo had simply become more, and no longer dependent on his nanotech. He was just... more.

[Sol M]

It was being used as a measuring stick for his ability to copy power levels such as Thanos. If we only knew exactly how he obtained said power.

As I said, I really doubt his ability depends on the supposed "powerlevel" of the opponent, which frankly, we have no way to quantify.

That aside, I already mentioned how dimension dumping a planet isn't indicative of his ability to copy Thanos in any way. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

[Farealmer]

Still though, my assumption when watching the show was that Amazo had simply become more, and no longer dependent on his nanotech. He was just... more.

Yes but if one of his powers is specifically depended on that nanotech than him not having it anymore becomes an issue. Especially when he has no clear feats of copying anything afterwards.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

I'm not saying he gets full feats or competency, as that goes against how his powers work. But there is nothing in the basic Thanos power set/stat package that makes me think he is too much for Amazo to copy.

Except where is the cut-off point?
I mean, he displayed the ability to copy magic according to one poster.
And a GL Ring.
And a variety of other things.

So, can he copy Odin? If not, why? Odin has no specific immunity to being copied that I am aware of.
The idea that Odin is too powerful for him to copy is simply it. Which says he would have a limit.
Without feats on the copying the level of Thanos, why should he be granted that power?

[Captain Morgan]

Plus, there is the little issue that dimension dumping a planet isn't necessarily indicative of being able to operate on a cosmic level.

Though in my opinion, I'm not sure what that has to do with his ability or inability to copy Thanos anyway.

Dimension dumping entire planets, with the blink of an eye, certainly indicates power well in excess of the Herald/GL level. Hell, it's beyond what Thanos or Sentry can normally do.

If Amazo retains his copying powers in god mode, and can already handle powers above those of Thanos, it follows that he can copy Thanos to. If we determine he can't copy anymore, it's irrelevant.

[Sol M]

Except where is the cut-off point?
I mean, he displayed the ability to copy magic according to one poster.
And a GL Ring.
And a variety of other things.

So, can he copy Odin? If not, why? Odin has no specific immunity to being copied that I am aware of.
The idea that Odin is too powerful for him to copy is simply it. Which says he would have a limit.
Without feats on the copying the level of Thanos, why should he be granted that power?

Maybe he's just that broken. Have you thought of that?

[Syrile Demonthyst]

As I said, I really doubt his ability depends on the supposed "powerlevel" of the opponent, which frankly, we have no way to quantify.

That aside, I already mentioned how dimension dumping a planet isn't indicative of his ability to copy Thanos in any way. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

Then what reason could he not copy Odin?
Or Galactus?

Scale is not a reason because it is simply another word for Power.
At least the way it is being used.

It would be arguing over semantics.

There is either a cut-off point for his power, or he can simply defeat anyone who cannot blitz him.

[Captain Morgan]

Except where is the cut-off point?
I mean, he displayed the ability to copy magic according to one poster.
And a GL Ring.
And a variety of other things.

So, can he copy Odin? If not, why? Odin has no specific immunity to being copied that I am aware of.
The idea that Odin is too powerful for him to copy is simply it. Which says he would have a limit.
Without feats on the copying the level of Thanos, why should he be granted that power?

Again, it all really hinges on if he can still copy or not. If you assume he can't, which as I already said, I think is a bit silly, then no, he isn't copying Thanos.

If he can still copy things, he has feats showing Thanos level powers are not beyond his grasp. Odin powers? Still out. I reckon Odin could port solar systems if he wanted to.

The cut off point for him, IMO, is at the PC Kryptonian level, because that's the level of power we have seen Amazo running around with.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Maybe he's just that broken. Have you thought of that?

Yes. :)
I have said it a few times actually, heh.
And it pretty much means he wins against anyone not capable of blitzing him.

I am fine with that, if that is the case.
Kind of stupid to me, but either way, that is simply his character if his powers work that way.

It does happen that some characters are simply unbeatable in some cases.

[Sol M]

Scale is not a reason because it is simply another word for Power.
At least the way it is being used.

No, dude, no.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Scale isn't the same as power.

There is either a cut-off point for his power, or he can simply defeat anyone who cannot blitz him.

Perhaps he can. Perhaps he can't.

Nothing to do now but wait for the Ruling.

[Sol M]

Yes. :)
I have said it a few times actually, heh.
And it pretty much means he wins against anyone not capable of blitzing him.

I am fine with that, if that is the case.
Kind of stupid to me, but either way, that is simply his character if his powers work that way.

It does happen that some characters are simply unbeatable in some cases.

Yes, well, this is Rumbles, the land without PIS.

Broken characters are broken, that's just how it is. :)

And lets be fair, he won't be the only broken character around.

[Sharpandpointies]

That Amazo can copy Thanos
Feat for: His planet moving power
Feats against: We don't know how he got the planet moving.

And while you're here.
That he still has his copy powers.
Feats for: Him following atom to the microverse.
Feats against: Him not being made of the things that allowed him to copy stuff.

Okay, for this I'm going to go straight to Rumbles Rules to the letter (at least my interpretation of them). Seems to be the only way I can get a non-contradictory ruling here.

1. Amazo has never been shown to have copied the power of someone on Thanos' level. Hence, he doesn't get that capacity here. It doesn't obviate the ability to teleport planets or the like, mind. Could he potentially copy PART of Thanos' abilities? Possibly - assuming what he tries to copy is on the level of stuff he had demonstrated the capacity to copy in the past!

That part is for people to discuss.

2. Amazo has never been shown to have actually lost his copy abilities. Hence, we're not going to just pull them away in a later depiction of him. Same character - enhanced further, mind, but still the same character, and still possessing the powers he had earlier copied from what I understand.

So that's where it is. Amazo isn't going to be snagging Thanos or Galactus' power without the actual feats to prove he can, but he's not losing the power either.

So there's the ruling.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Again, it all really hinges on if he can still copy or not. If you assume he can't, which as I already said, I think is a bit silly, then no, he isn't copying Thanos.

If he can still copy things, he has feats showing Thanos level powers are not beyond his grasp. Odin powers? Still out. I reckon Odin could port solar systems if he wanted to.

Well, yes if he cannot copy at all he definitely cannot copy Thanos. :)

But as for if he can copy still.. Why?
Just because he can teleport a planet does not mean he gained that power from copying powers.

He gained the power off-screen and has no displayed abilities of copying powers on that level.

And if Odin is out, which I agree to, then it has to go by power levels, which I believe as well.

Edit: Was typing already Sharp.

[KnockBlock]

Or, he'll get stranded somewhere with a blink. Anyway...
*scratches head*

So he'd win via ringout.

I guess Amazo also has an advantage of having a wider array of powers/abilities.