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    Clean composition notwithstanding, the man cannot draw a decent face. Martin's poses twist characters in anatomically impossible fashions and his interpretation of musculature is laughable. I would appreciate his minimalistic approach more if there was some consistency in his line work.

    Hergé, the guy isn't.

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    I really hope that sometime in the future Caselli will be a regular artist for Amazing!
    His work is excellent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Bomb View Post
    Clean composition notwithstanding, the man cannot draw a decent face. Martin's poses twist characters in anatomically impossible fashions and his interpretation of musculature is laughable. I would appreciate his minimalistic approach more if there was some consistency in his line work.

    Hergé, the guy isn't.
    where is an example of that?

    i think he is an amazing artist. his stuff is dynamic and feels energized and beats most other artists in comics that i can think of. besides another polarizing artist, guy davis.








    his rendering of anatomy seems great to me. he doesnt make people super muscular and fake. it seems effortless and natural
    northlanders .american vampire. bprd. concrete. detective comics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveageallen View Post
    where is an example of that?

    i think he is an amazing artist. his stuff is dynamic and feels energized and beats most other artists in comics that i can think of. besides another polarizing artist, guy davis.



    his rendering of anatomy seems great to me. he doesnt make people super muscular and fake. it seems effortless and natural
    That's... a perfect example of what I'm talking about, actually. Doc Strange's torso is monstrously long. Look at his left arm, for crying out loud! The tentacle on the left becomes a roll of millimetre-thick toilet paper half the way up the page, and believe it or not, capes are supposed to have depth.

    Superman is supposed to be super musclular. So is Spider-Man, believe it or not. They're biological paragons. And both of them wear spandex. Compare:

    Caselli:

    Depth and presence.

    Martin:

    Can you figure out which of those characters is supposed to be flat?
    Last edited by Pumpkin Bomb; 02-13-2011 at 10:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Bomb View Post
    Clean composition notwithstanding...
    Because why overlook that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Bomb View Post
    the man cannot draw a decent face.
    ??? We're talking about Marcos Martin, right?
    http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...05/martin1.jpg
    ???
    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Bomb View Post
    Martin's poses twist characters in anatomically impossible fashions and his interpretation of musculature is laughable.
    Like Ditko?
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lfportrait.png
    MacFarlane?
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Batman423.JPG
    Mignola?
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._St_August.jpg
    Sale?
    http://sexualityinart.files.wordpres...-stewart-7.jpg
    You do realize that this is comics, right? And that people can have their own individual style and iconography.
    What's impossible about this?:
    http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...05/martin2.jpg
    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Bomb View Post
    I would appreciate his minimalistic approach more if there was some consistency in his line work.
    Ah. Okay, I see what the problem is now.
    Here:
    http://www.lenscrafters.com
    That should help.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Bomb View Post
    Hergé, the guy isn't.
    Okay... Now we're off the deep end. I really don't understand your criteria at all. So Tintin's pipe-cleaner ankles...
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._and_Snowy.png
    ...and Captain Haddock's bulbous nose and teeny, tiny feet are perfectly fine...
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...in_Haddock.png
    But Marcos Martin's clean line work and stylized choices aren't?
    People have different styles. Marcos Martin's isn't to your PERSONAL liking. I get that. But these slams you're throwing out at his craft are very arbitrary and unfounded.

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    I love Marcos Martin's work and I'd love for him to be solo artist but I'm liking how Ramos and Caselli's art sorta looks the same and is giving me a more consistent feel for the books right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Slott View Post
    Because why overlook that?

    ??? We're talking about Marcos Martin, right?
    http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...05/martin1.jpg
    ???

    Like Ditko?
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lfportrait.png
    MacFarlane?
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Batman423.JPG
    Mignola?
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._St_August.jpg
    Sale?
    http://sexualityinart.files.wordpres...-stewart-7.jpg
    You do realize that this is comics, right? And that people can have their own individual style and iconography.
    What's impossible about this?:
    http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...05/martin2.jpg

    Ah. Okay, I see what the problem is now.
    Here:
    http://www.lenscrafters.com
    That should help.

    Okay... Now we're off the deep end. I really don't understand your criteria at all. So Tintin's pipe-cleaner ankles...
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._and_Snowy.png
    ...and Captain Haddock's bulbous nose and teeny, tiny feet are perfectly fine...
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...in_Haddock.png
    But Marcos Martin's clean line work and stylized choices aren't?
    People have different styles. Marcos Martin's isn't to your PERSONAL liking. I get that. But these slams you're throwing out at his craft are very arbitrary and unfounded.

    Case sealed and shut. I could not have said it better, Marcos Martin is one of the most Underated Artists in comics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Slott View Post
    Because why overlook that?
    Because I'm not disagreeing with you there. Ramos' composition is a mess in comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Slott View Post
    ??? We're talking about Marcos Martin, right?
    http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...05/martin1.jpg
    ???
    This is an example of his ability to draw faces? The first speaker has a triangular mouth.

    I admit the Ditko one is iffy, but the MacFarlane cover consists of Batman's anatomy being covered entirely by his cape. I'm not sure what you're claiming is wrong with Sale's Superman, given that the implausibly-broad shoulders-and-large-chin are a status quo. None of these are action panels.

    And... Hellboy is a demon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Slott View Post
    You do realize that this is comics, right? And that people can have their own individual style and iconography.
    Yes, of course, but I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "iconography". Are his symbols supposed to have different meanings than Mike Mignola's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Slott View Post
    Well, the face in the top right hand corner is pretty horrendous, and the reflection doesn't match Spidey's back. In fact, the reflection from the right shows his left inner thigh - the one that faces outwards! That is not how mirrors work. Ooh, and the middle limousine is somehow driving away from a completely different vanishing point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Slott View Post
    Ah. Okay, I see what the problem is now.
    Here:
    http://www.lenscrafters.com
    That should help.
    That was uncalled-for. What happened to a nice straightforward "Go f*ck yourself"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Slott View Post
    Okay... Now we're off the deep end. I really don't understand your criteria at all. So Tintin's pipe-cleaner ankles...
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._and_Snowy.png
    ...and Captain Haddock's bulbous nose and teeny, tiny feet are perfectly fine...
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...in_Haddock.png
    But Marcos Martin's clean line work and stylized choices aren't?
    I was referring to his clean lines, not his grasp on anatomy. Martin's lines are nowhere near so uniform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Slott View Post
    People have different styles. Marcos Martin's isn't to your PERSONAL liking. I get that. But these slams you're throwing out at his craft are very arbitrary and unfounded.
    If it was objectively true, it wouldn't be an opinion. Then what would the point of the discussion board?
    Last edited by Pumpkin Bomb; 02-13-2011 at 10:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Bomb View Post
    His art isn't minimalist, it's amateurish. The guy doesn't have artistic flair or a decent understanding of anatomy. Everything just comes off lifeless, awkward and two-dimensional.

    It just seems to me like he spends way less time on his work than Caselli or Ramos.
    You don't even look like a pumpkin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee H View Post
    You don't even look like a pumpkin!
    That's just straight up racist dawg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee H View Post
    You don't even look like a pumpkin!
    Normal pumpkins can't melt through three inches of steel.

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    So I just got a friend who actually does professional art and animation to look at those examples Dan posted, and he burst out laughing. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin Bomb View Post
    So I just got a friend who actually does professional art and animation to look at those examples Dan posted, and he burst out laughing. Just saying.
    I just got 3 friend's...no, 4 friends (yeah that's the ticket!) who actually do professional art and animation to look at those examples Dan posted and they were stunned at how well done they are. Just saying.
    Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without trying to invent any more of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmed View Post
    I just got 3 friend's...no, 4 friends (yeah that's the ticket!) who actually do professional art and animation to look at those examples Dan posted and they were stunned at how well done they are. Just saying.
    One's tastes in art are very personal. I mean, there are those out there who honestly think Romita Sn. did better Spider-Man work than Steve Ditko.

    Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmed View Post
    I just got 3 friend's...no, 4 friends (yeah that's the ticket!) who actually do professional art and animation to look at those examples Dan posted and they were stunned at how well done they are. Just saying.
    The one where the guy has a triangular mouth or the one where the perspective is all screwed up? Just curious.

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