And often they did spend the night together. Only in story arcs where he was gone for hours and days, was that an issue and often it wasn't much of an issue. The only time it was an issue in the marriage was when Dominous was messing with Clark's mind and after Lois's father had died. But it was less about being their at night and more about his not being their to save her father. And she did have him to herself for a year without Superman being a factor. And once he got his powers back, she gave him his suit and encouraged him to go back to doing what made him happy.Originally Posted by Fate's Faith
Except he was there to notice and she did bring her issues with her into the marriage. Her concern about her job working for Lexcom, something which she detested but had no choice since Clark was unemployed and Metropolis was going through a rough patch. Her issues regarding that Lex was President of the United States which was equally hard on her, because of what Lex had done to her in the past. Like ruining her reputation by trying to discredit her. Her own uncertainty about being a mother which was brought up twice. Plus her family issues as I mentioned. Starting with her mother's illness and ending with her father eating a bullet and her sister hating her.I'm talking about how the marriage was an improvement to Lois since we've already talked about how it was for Superman. I've never felt this was a marriage of equals because Superman brought the whole world into the relationship. He couldn't help doing so and she got to be the one to deal with it. She didn't even get a chance to unload in the same fashion. She could bring the whole office into the relationship and it didn't matter because Clark probably wasn't there to notice.
Except she did deal with Clark's family. The Kents. She loved Jonathan and Martha and they loved her right back. Not all in-laws are dicks. My paternal grandmother was a great woman compared to my stepfather's own mother. Two separate marriages, but two different in-laws. And in regards to Lois's family, well, Sam wasn't fond of Clark. But not because he was a reporter and always gone. Lois herself had been known to go off for weeks. Rather, he disliked Clark because he didn't measure up in his eyes. Be it the Donner inspired Clark or the football jock turned famous writer, Sam never really warmed up to Clark. Hell, half the time he didn't even know that he was gone for long stretches. Lucy and Ella didn't mind Clark and enjoyed his company.And talk about inlaws. Again, Lois doesn't have to deal with his. She has to deal with her own who get to see her make a life with someone while he's always gone for some odd reason. I know how that goes over with inlaws.
Being married is about many things. Not all of it is equally the same. Not everyone's perspective is the same. If two people are healthy and stable enough on their own, that doesn't mean that they shouldn't get married. That just means that they are already well off and come together because of attraction and feelings of love and companionship. Some people might have their own neuroses, which in Lois's case had to do with her father. Clark's own feelings was that he was on the start of having a family that he could create, given that his people were mostly dead.I think we have different views of marriage. I didn't think I was especially scarred or unstable but it was an improvement to me. Really, marriage is rarely equal. Sometimes one has to carry a little more than the other. In fact, I think if you believe marriage isn't an improvement that really says its okay for Superman not to be married since its not actually doing anything for him.
Which is no different from the two of them being reporters and having to duck out, which did happen a few times shortly after getting engaged. In fact, it was the first family get together of the Kents and the Lanes, when a phone call about a firebombing forced Lois and Clark to leave. Nor is it different from a firefighter having to rush off, if something happens and he or she has to go. Nor a doctor who has to get up to perform surgery or deliver a child.But back to Lois, like I said, marriage is rarely equal between the two spouses. I feel Clark and Lois's marriage was terribly unequal on a permanent basis. Really, if Lois has a dinner with family planned and Clark can't make it because of Superman duties, we all understand that. It does come first.
Except real life has shown couples capable of maintaining a marriage. Police, firefighters, paramedics, federal agents and so on. Not all of their marriages are in trouble.But an equal marriage would be when there are times when the dinner comes first before the Superman duties. And that's just not going to happen. The fact that anything comes first at all times before your spouse is trouble.
Except Lois did more than be than be the dutiful wife. She was still the kick ass reporter that she was before then. She uncovered Lex's corruption, discovered her father's involvement in the conflict with New Krypton, when to UMEC for weeks and was shot for it, she broke into the White House with Batman to get back the Kryptonite ring, talked with the Earth-22 Superman, brought her husband back from Dominous's control, tangled with Predators and Aliens, went to a Krypton that was created by Brainiac 13, uncovered improprieties at a power plant and more.Yet Lois was expected to be the dutiful wife and just lost her strength. I guess you can guess I don't mind the marriage being over because it would be an improvement to Lois for it not to have existed. Superman not being married is really for story material as he never had to change his character to accomidate being married.
True. At least with DC it was done via history changing, allowing for Lois and Clark to remain as true to themselves as ever. And it at least didn't come across as heavy handed editorial interference. DiDio, Lee, Johns and Harras never said anything negative on the subject for years like Quesada did. When the big four at DC did speak on the subject, they at least said that they would try to make it work and when the reboot came, they were at least diplomatic about it.Originally Posted by carabas
The real problem is that just before OMD came out, there was a story in Sensational Spider-Man where Peter was able to communicate with May and she encouraged him to let her go. That's when Peter should have listened to her, but because it was ignored, we had OMD and worse, OMIT.Originally Posted by timeismoney
Loki would've been better since it had been set up earlier that he owed Peter a great deal. His motivation would be more sound compared to Mephisto's.Originally Posted by carabas
He is rigid in his beliefs that his notion of justice is right though, otherwise he wouldn't fight against authority. Which isn't a bad thing, but it is grim.
I don't think having a rigid notion of justice is grim, otherwise Pre Flashpoint Superman would be grim as well (unless you mean he had no notion of justice but that's doubtful).
"I'm going to paraphrase Nietzsche, when you judge a work, the work judges you."
"I'm going to paraphrase Nietzsche, when you judge a work, the work judges you."
The problem with your definition of grim, aside from it's tendency to ignore context and tone and the standard definition of grim that most all the rest of the world uses, is that it makes most every superhero grim because they see something in the world which requires action. The old Superman didn't figure that humanity would be just fine or he'd have never put on the costume in the first place. By your own reasoning, he's a grim character and he's always been a grim character. Thing is, those post-crisis stories where Luthor was a constant Metropolis mogul untouchable by the law because the system was too broken or corrupt to work properly probably fit closer to the definition of grim than stories where Superman is actually able to effect change for the better.
Personally, I love that Superman is willing to smack Lex up a bit now. It's EXACTLY what he would've done in the Golden Age--this Superman doesn't let you get away with even ONE murder, no matter what the bought off authorities think.
Only you can set you free.