Byrne wanted to make him more like the Golden Age Superman who had fewer qualms about killing and did it several times.
Byrne felt that Superman needed a good reason to develop an absolute code against killing. Most of us wouldn't kill unless absolutely necessary but cops and soldiers sometimes have to kill. So Superman should see what it's like and promise himself, "Never again".
At any rate, I thought it was rather lousy to wait until your last issue and then do it when you won't have to deal with it but the next writer will. I don't know when but apparently some writer along the way just removed it from history, perhaps due to most fans simply not accepting it.
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It's just bad writing, straight up. Basically, the powers-that-be decided that Wonder Woman had to kill Maxwell Lord and be censured by the superhuman community in the process, so they hamfistedly shoehorned the plot in there, painting the character in a corner.
Seriously, whenever you see a character screaming, "You have to kill me! If you lock me up, I'll just get out! I know where you live! I know where your wives and children go to school!" , I automatically roll my eyes.
They did it with the Skrulls in 'Secret Invasion', with Doctor Light in 'Identity Crisis', and each time, it was a ham-fisted attempt by a writer to justify incredibly out-of-character actions so that their ill-conceived plot makes 'sense'.
Why did the superhuman community condemn Wonder Woman for this? Because they had to for the script to work.
Bad writing, pure and simple.
Was Wonder Woman right to kill Max Lord? Absolutely. Anyone (yes, anyone) would have. Obviously. Hell - I would have, and I, like, never kill people. So what's the point? So a portion of fans can bask in how "cool" it is and proclaim it is because "Wonder Woman's a warrior, dammit!" And when you have characters (the same characters who were cool with watching her slay a gorgon n live TV) written as objecting what she did for no better reason than to object to it, and with no other arguments than maybe some vague references to finding "a better way," you have a story that's not being completely honest.
And then she spent the entirety of Infinite Crisis being treated like crap and everything was better. Yay!
The simple fact is that the controversy was manufactured so that people like us could keep arguing about it in places like this years later. Congratulations, DC. But when dealing with a fanbase that practically can't seem to agree on what shape Wonder Woman's earrings should be, was it really a good idea to further divide them in this way?
Last edited by Mayowa; 01-05-2011 at 03:24 AM.
@Mayowa: that is exactly the problem with this 'recent' over use of 'shocking' plot lines and events (if you can call them anything close to a plot). They can make buzz and bust sales momentarily, but on the long run they have either an ignorable influence or they damage. When people start to rely mostly on them, either nothing gets really changed overtime and natural degradation rules unchallenged, or consecutive damage speeds up the fall.
Although I had a slightly different take on it -- my point was that such extreme reactions made some of her fellow heroes (Superman in particular) look painfully hypocritical (and/or moronic) because that story was far from being the first time that the Post-COIE Diana was known for a fact to have killed sentient enemies when it struck her as being the right way to go! If Supes had never said much about it on any of several previous occasions, why should he suddenly start gaping in shock when faced with the "horrifying discovery" that a trained-and-true Amazon warrior princess was ready, willing, and able to use deadly force on her most dangerous adversaries?
Years ago, I solicited the help of my fellow fans (I think on this very forum, as well as on other sites) in compiling a list of all the previous occasions on which Diana had used lethal force against sentient enemies. The results are still available here on CBR as:
Timeline of Wonder Woman's Killings, Post-Crisis
(It got a fair amount of comment from my fellow fans at the time, but I guess now everyone has forgotten about it! )
Last edited by Lorendiac; 04-04-2012 at 10:29 AM.
Did you ever read "The Cold Equations", by Tom Godwin? It was considered a masterpiece when it was first published - but it has since been thoroughly deconstructed to show that the writer rigged the dice massively to tell the story the way he wanted it to come out. Among other things, it can now be taken as a horror story about the careless cruelty of big corporations who accept the deaths of innocents as part of the costs of doing business and do not one single damned thing to mitigate those costs.
Last edited by Sk8maven; 04-04-2012 at 07:55 PM.
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