Chaos War: Dead Avengers #1 *Spoilers*

**motteditor** · 11-17-2010, 05:02 PM

Really enjoyed this, particularly the parts with the Avengers I liked.

I loved seeing Vision back -- it's been what, 10 years almost since his friends left him in a crate? (I'm still baffled why they haven't tried to fix him, considering they've done so at least three times in the past.)

Also REALLY loved Yellowjacket. I just think the Rita DeMara version of the character was so cool. Loved her telling off Dr. Druid (who's as big a jerk as always). Really loved her saying how no one noticed she was killed. (And they actually acknowledge Iron Man killed her in current continuity, so I was pleased to see the Drunken Despot does still officially have that on his ledger.)

Basic plot is pretty simple. The characters come to in a room with a bunch of comatose Avengers. No clue how or why. Hearing screams from outside -- some things seem to be erasing dead civilians from reality -- they spring into action (hurrah for Vision, one of the discarded classics getting to issue the battle cry). Lots of nice action pieces and character moments sprinkled throughout, including a somewhat odd Fastball Special with Capt. Marvel and Swordsman.

And of course two classic Avengers baddies -- Grim Reaper and Nekra -- show up at the end. Ol' Erik apparently wanted ALL the Avengers together for when he gets his ultimate victory. (Which reminds me, I need to check that first spread to see if Simon's there. Be kind of ironic if he weren't.)

I don't get a lot of Van Lente's work, since I have no interest in the Hulk, though I loved his work on iHerc, and this is up to that par. Really looking forward to the next two issues.

I know everyone's got their favorites, but I really hope Vision and YJ make it back to the land of living.

And thought I'd respond to this from the preview thread:

Originally Posted by classicgmer

How standalone is this mini series? I'm not really all that interested in Chaos War itself but this looks pretty cool....I know it involves Nekra & Grim Reaper but how much knowledge do I really need to know about people like Amatsu-Mikaboshi and herc to folow this?

It seems, based on the first issue, to be completely standalone. There's a couple references to what's going on, but I don't think you'd have any trouble following it without reading Chaos War.

**AcesX1X** · 11-17-2010, 05:03 PM

does vision question how he is with these people at all? does he wonder beyond the initial shock?

**Nevets F** · 11-17-2010, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by AcesX1X

does vision question how he is with these people at all? does he wonder beyond the initial shock?

Vision doesn't, but someone else does.

Best part of this issue was by far Yellowjacket, followed for me by just seeing Deathcry, even if FVL writes her incorrectly, he's just taking Giffen's lead...which was also incorrect, but still, yay.

**XPac** · 11-17-2010, 05:06 PM

I wonder if Mar-Vell ever wonders why he keeps getting dragged into these back from the dead Avengers adventures, even though he technically never was one in life anyways.

**motteditor** · 11-17-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by AcesX1X

does vision question how he is with these people at all? does he wonder beyond the initial shock?

No. And why would he. He's clearly been shown to be more than a machine. It's kind of the point of the entire character.

**AcesX1X** · 11-17-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Steven F.

Vision doesn't, but someone else does.

thanks, steven!

**BartonisHawkeye88** · 11-17-2010, 06:11 PM

I GOTTA pick this up! Vision needs to come back for good after this mini.

If Vision returns after Dead Avengers
Jan returns after Ant-Man/Wasp (I can still hope)
and Wanda returns after Children Crusade

I will be a happy camper.

Maybe the 2012 Avengers can be:
Captain America, Iron Man, Wasp, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Songbird.

**Dermie** · 11-17-2010, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by XPac

I wonder if Mar-Vell ever wonders why he keeps getting dragged into these back from the dead Avengers adventures, even though he technically never was one in life anyways.

Nah, he fought alongside them enough in life that it shouldn't seem weird to him. Besides, with his cosmic awareness he should be aware that he was awarded posthumous membership.

Besides, if anyone should feel out of place, its Rita! Her honorary membership is probably the flimsiest in Avengers history. Vision is probably looking at her and thinking "how come SHE is here, but Thunderstrike or Jack of Hearts aren't?"

**XPac** · 11-17-2010, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dermie

Nah, he fought alongside them enough in life that it shouldn't seem weird to him. Besides, with his cosmic awareness he should be aware that he was awarded posthumous membership.

Besides, if anyone should feel out of place, its Rita! Her honorary membership is probably the flimsiest in Avengers history. Vision is probably looking at her and thinking "how come SHE is here, but Thunderstrike or Jack of Hearts aren't?"

I'm mildly impressed the bad guys would even know to resurrect her. I don't think it's even common knowledge that she's dead, let alone an Avenger.

**Capt USA** · 11-17-2010, 06:45 PM

Liked this issue mostly, fairly decent characterizations loved that Swordsman was the one to be calling for the heroic actions.

Questions have to arise why certain Dead Avengers weren't there.
Not that I can remember all the dead ones but as mentioned Jack of Hearts, Wasp, Two-Gun Kid(technically), Forgotten One, Thunderstrike(depending), Invisible Woman(oops not yet), Ant Man, Nova, Whizzer, Marrina, and of course Sentry and Bullseye( :) ) (I didn't include Masque as that's a subspect inclusion anyway)

**Will.S** · 11-17-2010, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by motteditor

I know everyone's got their favorites, but I really hope Vision and YJ make it back to the land of living.

While I'd like to see Vision come back very much, I'm a little doubtful of that happening here since this is one of those mini's that tend to be pretty self contained and don't spill over into what Bendis is doing. Although I think Children's Crusade might be a better vehicle for his return since he's such a pivotal role in Scarlet Witch's world.

**Capt USA** · 11-17-2010, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Will.S

While I'd like to see Vision come back very much, I'm a little doubtful of that happening here since this is one of those mini's that tend to be pretty self contained and don't spill over into what Bendis is doing. Although I think Children's Crusade might be a better vehicle for his return since he's such a pivotal role in Scarlet Witch's world.

the problem with it happening in Childrens crusade is that there is already a Vision in that mini, and it's not likely for Marvel to have two competing visions in one universe. (yes I know two human torches exist right now) . But I agree this doesn't feel like a mini that is going to have any impact on the rest of the story or Marvel Universe.

**Will.S** · 11-17-2010, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Capt USA

the problem with it happening in Childrens crusade is that there is already a Vision in that mini, and it's not likely for Marvel to have two competing visions in one universe. (yes I know two human torches exist right now) . But I agree this doesn't feel like a mini that is going to have any impact on the rest of the story or Marvel Universe.

I think having two Vision's shouldn't be too much of a problem.

They have enough differences in their appearance and personalities to the point in which I don't think they're interchangeable.

**XPac** · 11-17-2010, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Will.S

I think having two Vision's shouldn't be too much of a problem.

They have enough differences in their appearance and personalities to the point in which I don't think they're interchangeable.

Technically 3 if you count the original WW2 vision.

Throw in Human Torch, and you have the makings of a Corps.

**Nevets F** · 11-17-2010, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Capt USA

Questions have to arise why certain Dead Avengers weren't there.
Not that I can remember all the dead ones but as mentioned Jack of Hearts, Wasp, Two-Gun Kid(technically), Forgotten One, Thunderstrike(depending), Invisible Woman(oops not yet), Ant Man, Nova, Whizzer, Marrina, and of course Sentry and Bullseye( :) ) (I didn't include Masque as that's a subspect inclusion anyway)

Forgotten One came back to life in the latest Eternals series. Marrina is brought back next week in Chaos War: Alpha Flight.

When did Two-Gun Kid die? He was part of the Initiative fairly recently.