CBR: Cup O' Joe - Sep 30, 2010

[CBR News]

In part four of CBR's commentary on the controversial Spider-Man saga "One Moment In Time," Marvel E-i-C Joe Quesada fast forwards to modern day to explain how Peter Parker's choices affected he and Mary Jane beyond "Civil War" and more.


Full article here.

[Maestro]

another great informative interview. Thanks Joe!

[Chiasm]

Make him stop already.

As a Spidey fan I already feel like OMD / OMIT was horrible and like getting screwed up the *** by Marvel. Joe's interviews are just reopening the wound are like getting screwed again only this time with 2x4 with rusty nails. To me its felt all week like he's gloating and laughing about how clever he thinks he was in writing this. If explaining the process is his way of trying to win back fans he is utterly failing.

[G. Wayne]

Wait, so Peter and MJ are permanent shackees now?

... that’s what’s important to remember about "One Moment In Time." Everything that readers assumed Mephisto did – whether it was wiping out the marriage, saving Aunt May to erasing people's memories of Spider-Man, anything readers thought Mephisto did by just clicking his fingers –were all done or instigated by Peter. Either through his powers, resourcefulness, ingenuity or love – he did it. Now, you could say that Mephisto kicked over the first domino by possibly guiding that pigeon to let Eddie Muerte out of the police car, but at the end of the day everything else was all Peter.

Could they have found a more needlessly complex way to go about all this cherry-picking what they did and did not want in Spider-Man's continuity?

[LastAngryGeek]

It never ceases to astound me, how Quesada underestimates his readers intelligence.

OMD never happened? Really?

Mephisto rewrote history. That's why we don't see Peter and MJ make a deal with him. Because he re-wrote history so Peter would save May's life and then go to Doc Strange and Co. to wipe everyone else's memories.

And the fact that, absoluetly NO one is bothered by the fact that they can't remember who Spider-Man is after his unmasking is perhaps the most insulting premise of the post OMD Spider-Man.

But, hell. To quote Quesada: "It's magic. We don't have to explain it."

[Dave H]

Make him stop already.

As a Spidey fan I already feel like OMD / OMIT was horrible and like getting screwed up the *** by Marvel. Joe's interviews are just reopening the wound are like getting screwed again only this time with 2x4 with rusty nails. To me its felt all week like he's gloating and laughing about how clever he thinks he was in writing this. If explaining the process is his way of trying to win back fans he is utterly failing.

No one's forcing you to read the interviews.

[Pink Eye]

Well it's official Quesada is insane if anyone believes this crap.

[Farmernudie]

I hope CBR follows up on this OMD/OMIT Interview, with Interviews about Joe's Interviews, so he can explain them more and how clever he is! Easter Eggs Woot<

[RDMacQ]

It never ceases to astound me, how Quesada underestimates his readers intelligence.

OMD never happened? Really?

Mephisto rewrote history. That's why we don't see Peter and MJ make a deal with him. Because he re-wrote history so Peter would save May's life and then go to Doc Strange and Co. to wipe everyone else's memories.

And the fact that, absoluetly NO one is bothered by the fact that they can't remember who Spider-Man is after his unmasking is perhaps the most insulting premise of the post OMD Spider-Man.

But, hell. To quote Quesada: "It's magic. We don't have to explain it."

And let's not forget that apparently no supernatural force on the entire planet could save Aunt May's life, because apparently giving Aunt May CPR was something no one would ever think of.

[Farmernudie]

Lets recap a bit. In this new continuity, as Peter sits on Doctor Strange’s stoop, the red pigeon doesn’t fly over.

oooo....greeat recap joe! Let's see...so, you're saying the red pigeon doesn't fly over???

However, in "OMIT," Peter is there and present. He watches the doctor’s give up, but being Peter Parker, he’s compelled to give CPR

I know, it’s trippy ain’t it?

[Sighphi]

I know, it’s trippy ain’t it? But that’s what’s important to remember about "One Moment In Time." Everything that readers assumed Mephisto did – whether it was wiping out the marriage, saving Aunt May to erasing people's memories of Spider-Man, anything readers thought Mephisto did by just clicking his fingers –were all done or instigated by Peter. Either through his powers, resourcefulness, ingenuity or love – he did it. Now, you could say that Mephisto kicked over the first domino by possibly guiding that pigeon to let Eddie Muerte out of the police car, but at the end of the day everything else was all Peter.

So Peter gave the chubby dude super powers to throw a cinder block super fast and super high enough to knock him on the head? Then made him fall on him and pass out for a day?

[Farmernudie]

So Peter gave the chubby dude super powers to throw a cinder block super fast and super high enough to knock him on the head? Then made him fall on him and pass out for a day?

I'd like Joe Q and Steve and Dan to take an afternoon, grab some cinder blocks, and go outside the office and trying lobbing one up over their heads and see if they think they can get it up.

Let alone, high enough for a water tower, and with enough velocity to take out a superhero with spider-sense and amazing reflexes.

Come on, mythbuster it baby!! (said in my Dick Vitale voice)

[stillanerd]

Here's another portion that stuck out for me:

Remembering the wedding annual, I knew there was a window of opportunity in which Peter could have his misadventure. Somewhere between sitting on the Brooklyn Bridge asking Gwen for permission and the actual wedding day. It was then just a matter of figuring out who it could be and making sure it was someone that could plausibly be connected to the Kingpin. I was balking at the idea of it being a classic, big costumed baddie, but was equally balking at the idea of having to introduce someone new to the original wedding annual story. I remember sitting in my office wishing there was someone who had enough reason to have a grudge against Spidey and it was at that point that I decided to crack open the annual again. Funny, but I had all but forgotten about the guy that was left webbed up to the lamppost at the beginning of that story. But there he was, ripe for the plucking, serendipity struck again. And thus began the tale of Eddie Muerte, low level thug with a Spidey grudge and a plausible enough background to reach out to Wilson Fisk for a favor.

As for Spidey and Eddie’s eventual history together, yes it was intentionally meant to play out similar to Uncle Ben’s killer. It’s one of the trappings that you find in many Spider-Man stories, like the idea that the people closest to Peter Parker somehow end up being Spider-Man’s arch enemies. There's always this wonderful suspension of disbelief in Spidey stories where we always stop short of thinking, "Really? In a city of 8 million people, the one guy who flies around on a Goblin Glider trying to kill Spidey is his best friend's dad?" [Laughter] We’ve come to expect that the people in Peter's life are intertwined and connected to him in many ways. It keeps the cast tight and fun, and it keeps everything revolving around itself in a way that’s compelling to the reader. It was no different with the idea behind Eddie.

Yeah, sorry, the analogy that Eddie the thug is akin to the Burglar who shot Uncle Ben doesn't really work. Yes, it's fits as a coincidence, but the whole idea behind the tragedy of Uncle Ben death was that the coincidence of the Burglar shooting Uncle Ben was the result of Spider-Man choosing NOT to stop the Burglar beforehand when he could have easily done so. In the case of Eddie the thug's case, Spider-Man DID try to stop him but was knocked unconscious--ridiculously so, I might add--for his trouble. Unless, of course, Joe Quesada is saying Spidey should NOT have tried to stop Eddie the Thug at all and let him go instead, because if he hadn't tried to stop him, then Eddie the Thug wouldn't have later gone after Mary Jane in revenge, or am I reading that wrong?

[Toras]

You are expecting logic at this point. As the other threads have indicated, there is no logic, there is only Zuul. And you can either lay back and take it or walk away.

[mikekerr3]

It's kind of funny like Christine O'Donnell writing a comic. It won't make sense but the train wreck is humorous as hell