Superman vs Hulk (Twist)

[Siriel]

I just find it odd that someone much faster than Hulk would have "little to no speed advantage".

Even Superspiderman would still be more than fast enough to toss.

[Pendaran]

Jets do, in general. For instance, an F22 is mach2+ in straight flight.

Early Avengers Quicksilver was a few machs, he saw him coming and smacked him away basically; that makes sense. He's always been able to follow speed coming at him; missiles, bombs, tank shells, bullets, planes.

So basically it's actually PIS when you're talking about Spiderman having been able to keep ahead of the Hulk at all. Considering how much faster than him Quicksilver from that time was. You're now not even arguing the Hulk is bullet time, you're arguing he's as fast as Quicksilver.

Can the Hulk speed blitz Spiderman such that Pete can't even particularly see the hits coming? Could he punch Spiderman as part of a whole crowd he does up inbetween a cry of his name?

At that, was the Hulk leaping between F22's going mach 2? Because otherwise this is a nebulous feat you're trumpeting. There are a variety of planes that do not in fact go the speed of sound, nor above it, is what I'm getting at.

Missiles in comics have gone slow enough that Captain America and the Falcon can still converse with each other as he rockets off strapped to one.

I can see planes flying overhead in the sky, does that mean I'm bullet time?

And again, what comic did the bit with the rifle bullet happen in.

[abmccray]

I just find it odd that someone much faster than Hulk would have "little to no speed advantage".

Even Superspiderman would still be more than fast enough to toss.

Spider-man is around 2-4X faster than an average bullet timer depending on where you rank him; tossing is a complex action though. It basically means that you can get a lot of punches/grabs/etc. in past someone's defense and beat them in an equal H2H setting every time.

The problem with this Hulk is 1) stupid regen, 2) that he gets stronger and more durable as he gets madder, and 3) that WWH is actually quite smart, especially in fighting. Unlike regular Hulk, WWH actually uses strategy and will actually block stuff or wait out an assault in a purely defensive mode (like a boxer). At Spidey speed, but without his agility, Hulk can see him coming at the very least from 100 feet, can grab back if he's grabbed and can go into a pure defensive mode as he angers up. It's not like a regular fight where fighters can normally nerve strike, use weapons, or where waiting it out does someone no good.

[The Watcher]

Just want to officially confirm that there is no god proof barrier that prevents space tossing from being a viable option in the arena.

[Pendaran]

Spider-man is around 2-4X faster than an average bullet timer

And Quicksilver is so much faster than him that nearly every time Peter has fought him he gets humiliated and slapped around until Pietro basically decides that he will now stop being as fast as he was for the first part of the fight. The time he decided you know what, I won't do that, Pete was nothing but a guy getting as blitzed as everyone else.

Yet you are putting forward the Hulk being able to catch and knock away Quicksilver as legitimate.

Basically your arguement becomes that with Superman reduced to Spiderman's speed, the Hulk is actually /faster/ than he is.

[The Zapper]

At Spidey speed, but without his agility, Hulk can see him coming at the very least from 100 feet, can grab back if he's grabbed and can go into a pure defensive mode as he angers up. It's not like a regular fight where fighters can normally nerve strike, use weapons, or where waiting it out does someone no good.

And while Hulk's in a pure defensive mode waiting to power up, Clark grabs him and space tosses him. No need for nerve strikes, weapons, etc.

[abmccray]

So basically it's actually PIS when you're talking about Spiderman having been able to keep ahead of the Hulk at all. Considering how much faster than him Quicksilver from that time was. You're now not even arguing the Hulk is bullet time, you're arguing he's as fast as Quicksilver.

Can the Hulk speed blitz Spiderman such that Pete can't even particularly see the hits coming? Could he punch Spiderman as part of a whole crowd he does up inbetween a cry of his name?

At that, was the Hulk leaping between F22's going mach 2? Because otherwise this is a nebulous feat you're trumpeting. There are a variety of planes that do not in fact go the speed of sound, nor above it, is what I'm getting at.

Missiles in comics have gone slow enough that Captain America and the Falcon can still converse with each other as he rockets off strapped to one.

I can see planes flying overhead in the sky, does that mean I'm bullet time?

And again, what comic did the bit with the rifle bullet happen in.

Spider-man's reaction speed would be 2-4 mach. It's the same speed. Quicksilver was initially Mach 1. He was literally the speed of sound which is barely bullet timing. By the time he was in Avengers, in those early fights - he was sped up to the 2-4 area. He's had a gradual build through time. What in the world are you talking about here - they're pretty much equal feats.

There aren't many fighter jets that go under sound in full flight, no. Never mind that Hulk's jump speed is waaaaaaaay past sound - he runs 80-100mph and jumps across states in seconds. He's sped up to people while their arms were extended in shot. He's run faster than sports cars.

[abmccray]

And Quicksilver is so much faster than him that nearly every time Peter has fought him he gets humiliated and slapped around until Pietro basically decides that he will now stop being as fast as he was for the first part of the fight. The time he decided you know what, I won't do that, Pete was nothing but a guy getting as blitzed as everyone else.

Yet you are putting forward the Hulk being able to catch and knock away Quicksilver as legitimate.

Basically your arguement becomes that with Superman reduced to Spiderman's speed, the Hulk is actually /faster/ than he is.

Pietro started off much slower than Spider-man's reaction speed. You do realize this right?

[abmccray]

And while Hulk's in a pure defensive mode waiting to power up, Clark grabs him and space tosses him. No need for nerve strikes, weapons, etc.

Grabbing and tossing is a much more complex action than punching. If you're two times faster than me and try to pick me up, I can reach around and grab you back.

[The Zapper]

Never mind that Hulk's jump speed is waaaaaaaay past sound - he runs 80-100mph and jumps across states in seconds.

That's nice and all, but he still can't fly while jumping, which puts him at a huge disadvantage. Even if Supes is only Spidey speed. He's still faster than hulk and can fly. Jumping at Supermen in this scenario would be about the worst thing Hulk could do.

[Pendaran]

Pietro started off much slower than Spider-man's reaction speed.

So, it was PIS when they fought way back when and Quicksilver was dominating the guy right till the end of it, is what you're saying. Spiderman should have kicked his ass flat out.

[The Zapper]

Grabbing and tossing is a much more complex action than punching. If you're two times faster than me and try to pick me up, I can reach around and grab you back.

If I'm two time faster (which is being very generous, I think Spidey has more of a speed advantage than that) I could get behind you while you're in pure defense mode, and bam, space toss.

[Pendaran]

By the time he was in Avengers, in those early fights - he was sped up to the 2-4 area.

You grasp that if you are talking about when the Hulk caught Quicksilver during a mess with the Inhumans, this occured /after/ his stint with the Avengers, yes?

[abmccray]

You grasp that if you are talking about when the Hulk caught Quicksilver during a mess with the Inhumans, this occured /after/ his stint with the Avengers, yes?

No, I'm talking about when he pimp smacked him when he was with the Avengers, like I said in the first place?

[abmccray]

That's nice and all, but he still can't fly while jumping, which puts him at a huge disadvantage. Even if Supes is only Spidey speed. He's still faster than hulk and can fly. Jumping at Supermen in this scenario would be about the worst thing Hulk could do.

You aren't following the conversation, no one said anything about jumping at Superman.