Bleach Manga/Anime Discussion Thread II

[SSJLuffy]

I remember that. He beat up a fat guy, a weak old man and a woman. Our hero, ladies and gentlemen, our hero.

HAHAHAHA

And well it looks like I'm at the climax of the SS arc. Some interesting developments with Ichigo turning Hollow, which was actually foreshadowed and the Central 46 massacre. Also Ichigo's bankai is pretty sweet, I guess.

Gotta love how its been 20 volumes and there has only been 2 story arcs. By volume 20 in Naruto there was at least double. Kubo is slow....

[Ghost]

Also Ichigo's bankai is pretty sweet, I guess.

Actually, as I have pointed out in the past, it's pretty much the worst bankai.

[1505627]

Actually, as I have pointed out in the past, it's pretty much the worst bankai.

how so? it's not flashy, but incredibly effective.

[Kevin M.]

I just caught up with the chapters.

Man, did I miss a whole hell of a lot.

[MKTerra]

how so? it's not flashy, but incredibly effective.

In practice it's not noticeably better than shunpo/sonido/hirenkyaku/bringer-light, which don't use up a bankai slot. Most of his enemies are able to keep pace or speedblitz him regardless.

[1505627]

In practice it's not noticeably better than shunpo/sonido/hirenkyaku/bringer-light, which don't use up a bankai slot. Most of his enemies are able to keep pace or speedblitz him regardless.

it's also intuitive. he doesn't need years to figure out all it's tricks. he can use it immeadiately, to it's fullest

[kane]

In practice it's not noticeably better than shunpo/sonido/hirenkyaku/bringer-light, which don't use up a bankai slot. Most of his enemies are able to keep pace or speedblitz him regardless.

It is far better, because it increases not only your foot movement but also the speed of your arms and the rest of your body. If not for boasting Ichigo would have killed Byakuya with the first move by cutting his throat.

The problem is that all his later opponents were so fast, that he needed to use his bankai all the time to be on even ground. This was apparently Kubo`s way of preventing him from blitzing every opponent he encounters.

[The Drunkard Kid]

To be fair, neither he nor anyone else displayed speed anywhere near as impressive as the stuff he did against Byakuya ever again. And he had plot reasons for not offing Byakuya right away since he was trying to crush his (and Soul Society's) pride to keep them from going after Rukia again.

[Dark Soul # 7]

how so? it's not flashy, but incredibly effective.

Ghost has brought up before how the only effect Tensa Zangetsu has is that it makes Ichigo fast enough to fight evenly with mid-tier people like Grimmjow. And that's the only thing it does which is why he needs the vizard mask to match certain people in raw power. Which still makes it better than Komamura's giant target of a bankai.

And I'd personally say that it does in fact make his getsuga tenshou stronger and gives his other stats an overall boost as well.

To be fair, neither he nor anyone else displayed speed anywhere near as impressive as the stuff he did against Byakuya ever again. And he had plot reasons for not offing Byakuya right away since he was trying to crush his (and Soul Society's) pride to keep them from going after Rukia again.

I think that it's a bit of a problem that Kubo has, at least with Ichigo. He displays impressive abilities when he first reveals new abilities but after that first showing he kind of meets people that are able to match him more or less which makes the whole thing less impressive.

Recently we have yet to really see anymore swordswings with slightly more power than his old getsuga tenshou.

[Nik Hasta]

And then Komamura woke up just in time to see an elephant sit down on his face.

I believe in the Church of Badass Komamura.

I BELIEVE!

[Ghost]

In practice it's not noticeably better than shunpo/sonido/hirenkyaku/bringer-light, which don't use up a bankai slot. Most of his enemies are able to keep pace or speedblitz him regardless.

Well, to be fair, Ichigo can use shunpo without Tensa Zangetsu, he just can't do it as well as people like Byakuya, let alone people like Yoruichi or Soifon. Tensa Zangetsu boosts his natural speed, making his shunpo much faster.

In theory, it makes you massively dangerous... if you are already had captain level shunpo mastery. Otherwise, it just lets you hang with the faster characters.

it's also intuitive. he doesn't need years to figure out all it's tricks. he can use it immeadiately, to it's fullest

Well, that's kind of the whole problem with most of Ichigo's powerups: They are shortcuts that let him catch up with the more powerful characters, because he doesn't have the time to spend years training his basic shinigami skills. He could manage, but since his foundation was so weak, he was always a step behind.

Ghost has brought up before how the only effect Tensa Zangetsu has is that it makes Ichigo fast enough to fight evenly with mid-tier people like Grimmjow. And that's the only thing it does which is why he needs the vizard mask to match certain people in raw power. Which still makes it better than Komamura's giant target of a bankai.

In all seriousness, I think Komamura's real problem is that he keeps fighting people who can actually do meaningful damage to his bankai. Realistically, that should be pretty damn rare, especially if it reflects his own damage soak.

And I'd personally say that it does in fact make his getsuga tenshou stronger and gives his other stats an overall boost as well.

Eh. *finger wigggle* Maybe. It's kinda vague.

[chilled monkey]

HAHAHAHA

Thanks.

And well it looks like I'm at the climax of the SS arc. Some interesting developments with Ichigo turning Hollow, which was actually foreshadowed and the Central 46 massacre. Also Ichigo's bankai is pretty sweet, I guess.

Ichigo's bankai is awesome!

Personally I despise the stupidly huge swords seen so often in anime/manga. I like that Ichigo's weapon in it's most powerful form looks like basically a regular sword.

Gotta love how its been 20 volumes and there has only been 2 story arcs. By volume 20 in Naruto there was at least double. Kubo is slow....

Quality is more important than quantity.

And he had plot reasons for not offing Byakuya right away since he was trying to crush his (and Soul Society's) pride to keep them from going after Rukia again.

THANK YOU!

Honestly it really bugs me when people forget that most of the time characters have good reasons to not go "right for the kill" instantly. It's like they expect characters to behave like they were in a CBR Rumbles match, which is not how they normally operate seeing as they are not mindless killing machines.

[Dark Soul # 7]

You know, there's one pretty serious advantage that Ichigo's bankai has over most, if not all, the other bankai we've seen so far in the series. He can keep it on for hella long without really being bothered by it. Everybody else kind of needs to switch theirs on and off between battles.

[Ghost]

Personally I despise the stupidly huge swords seen so often in anime/manga. I like that Ichigo's weapon is basically a regular sword in it's most powerful state.

You know, I suspect Kubo kinda agrees with you on that one. He generally seems to make Ichigo use his shikai as little as possible, hence why his bankai sorta got demoted to shikai status.

I mean, he could just have made Ichigo's opponents generally slower and kept Tensa Zangetsu's original weakness - that the stress of using it damages his body, making Ichigo only rely on it in emergencies. (You know, the way bankais are supposed to be used.) So it really kinda seems like Kubo just decided he liked drawing Tensa Zangetsu a lot more than he liked drawing Zangetsu.

[Ghost]

You know, there's one pretty serious advantage that Ichigo's bankai has over most, if not all, the other bankai we've seen so far in the series. He can keep it on for hella long without really being bothered by it. Everybody else kind of needs to switch theirs on and off between battles.

I'm... pretty sure they don't actually. I've never heard of this being an issue for any of the captains except Toshiro (who's bankai was immature), Ikkaku (dito, probably) and possibly Soifon (who seems to have a limited number of shots.)

In fact, it was stated at one point that the only time a bankai is deactivated against the will of the wielder is when that wielder is close to dying. That sorta suggests they can usually keep them up for as long as they want.

If they switch their bankai on and off between battles, it's probably just because they are typically huge and awkward.