Bleach Manga/Anime Discussion Thread II

[Eternal Torment]

To be fair, Tsukishima's ability allows him to give himself training retroactively - apparently even in circumstances where that wouldn't make any sense.

He's pretty hax, is what I'm saying.

Man, Tsukishima would have been a sword beast if he had cut Kenpachi.

[1505627]

Man, Tsukishima would have been a sword beast if he had cut Kenpachi.

actually, kenpachi doesn't know jack about sword fighting

[nervmeister]

She's got a heart-shaped belt buckle.

Methinks she's the one having a "cute girl" image going on, possibly with a cruel streak for ironic contrast.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the lady with the face mask.

[Hazard]

actually, kenpachi doesn't know jack about sword fighting

He does. You are confusing 'No formal technique' with 'No sword-fighting knowledge'.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Have you noticed how useless shikai tends to be against opponents at the same level? Byakuya's skikai was useless against Ichigo, Gin and Hitsugaya's shikais were useless against each other. Almost none of the captains beat an espada with their shikai. Kyoraku is the only one whose shikai seems to work against a captain level opponent, and that's because it's power is to raise the stakes of the fight. Shikai only seems to be effective against people who you don't even need it for in the first place, like old man genocide using it against Ukitake and Kyoraku.

Kenpachi:

*stabs somebody to make himself feel better*

[1505627]

He does. You are confusing 'No formal technique' with 'No sword-fighting knowledge'.

the best he can do is basic kendo. he normally just swings wildly at whatever with no regard for any injuries he takes.

[Hazard]

the best he can do is basic kendo. he normally just swings wildly at whatever with no regard for any injuries he takes.

Once again, you're confusing the two things.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Tsukishima was the best part of that arc. Seeing everyone Ichigo cares about side with him when they haven't actually switched sides at all was an intersting and even disturbing twist. Then they had to ruin it with an inferior version of a death note scheme.

It was very satisfying to see Tsukishima get a hole blasted through his torso. Then it was ruined by being a standard Bleach injury.

the best he can do is basic kendo. he normally just swings wildly at whatever with no regard for any injuries he takes.

Not caring about injuries means that he's kind of insane. Not that he can't fight. Hell, it pretty obvious that he knows how to fight. It's the only thing he does.

[1505627]

It was very satisfying to see Tsukishima get a hole blasted through his torso. Then it was ruined by being a standard Bleach injury.
Not caring about injuries means that he's kind of insane. Not that he can't fight. Hell, it pretty obvious that he knows how to fight. It's the only thing he does.

he knows how to fight.

he's barely passable at legitimate swordsmanship

[The Drunkard Kid]

he knows how to fight.

he's barely passable at legitimate swordsmanship

Its kinda hard to say that for certain; he was required to learn kendo once he became a captain, but we don't really know his skill level at it since he much rather prefers to fight with instinct and savagery and only uses kendo if he has no other choices available.

[1505627]

Its kinda hard to say that for certain; he was required to learn kendo once he became a captain, but we don't really know his skill level at it since he much rather prefers to fight with instinct and savagery and only uses kendo if he has no other choices available.

so he is uninterested in improving, and never practices the skills. in all likelyhood, he's rusty and thus most likely horrible at kendo. He's still a good fighter, but he is a lousy swordsman. by choice

[Ghost]

Eh. The fact that Kenpachi is mostly self-taught and has a very unconventional style doesn't mean he's not a really good swordsman. Especially since he's just taking hits because he thinks it's fun.

Heck, Ichigo hasn't had any formal training either; he had to figure out how to use a sword while fending off Urahara and after that he just kept learning by experience.

[The Drunkard Kid]

so he is uninterested in improving, and never practices the skills. in all likelyhood, he's rusty and thus most likely horrible at kendo. He's still a good fighter, but he is a lousy swordsman. by choice

Kenpachi's kendo is probably untrained; in terms of his normal swordsmanship, he jumps at the opportunity to use it, especially in life or death situations, at any opportunity available. When he did pull out his kendo, he used it without any problems to pretty much stomp someone that was able to match him in normal combat.

OTOH, his power and speed are sufficient that he probably rarely runs into anyone that actually makes him exert himself significantly.

[1505627]

Kenpachi's kendo is probably untrained; in terms of his normal swordsmanship, he jumps at the opportunity to use it, especially in life or death situations, at any opportunity available. When he did pull out his kendo, he used it without any problems to pretty much stomp someone that was able to match him in normal combat.

OTOH, his power and speed are sufficient that he probably rarely runs into anyone that actually makes him exert himself significantly.

that's essentially the point i'm making: Kenny has the power, but in terms of skill he's barely as good as a muggle kendo student. He almost never uses it, shows no signs of keeping his training up or desiring improvement, and has very little experience using it in a combat situation.

[Dark Soul # 7]

he knows how to fight.

he's barely passable at legitimate swordsmanship

He know how to fight a sword as in he knows how and where to hit people with a sword. And his fighting instincts are among the best in the series. That puts him a bit above "barely passable legitimate swordsmanship" I'd say, and certainly much better than swinging his sword "wildly at whatever".