Bleach Manga/Anime Discussion Thread II

[Pong]

Yes, Nazi-quincy guy- use your full power before your opponents does! Victory always goes to the one who goes all out first!

Wait a minute....



Also the transformation looks fugly. I always though that the one thing we can count on in Bleach are cool designs

And yes, the decompression strikes again. This will take awhile.


Still better than Naruto's flashback saga.

[Jabare]

Go Quincies go, Kill those evil Soul Reapers. Save us all.


Hopefully Ishida shows up later and starts owning Soul Reapers too. I bet the Vanderiech turn soul society to ash

[Dark Soul # 7]

Still, some interesting stuff does happen.

Oh totally. Just a bit of lamenting since we had a few fast-paced weeks there. But that's the Bleach way and I already know how it all reads better when mashed together.

I'm kinda surprised the quincy guy was so casual about pulling Letz Steil all of a sudden. What with the "you lose all your powers" thing.

They've been gone a while so it's possible that he super-quincies have developed some protection against the losing your owers bit. It also looks a bit more refined than Uryu's.

I also wonder what he was hinting at regarding Ishida.

Maybe Emperor Manlybeard had plans regarding Uryu that were similar to Aizen's plans regarding Ichigo's rise in power.

Obviously.

It's like Kubo's not even trying to hide it.

[Robotech Master]

I'm kinda surprised the quincy guy was so casual about pulling Letz Steil all of a sudden. What with the "you lose all your powers" thing.

Ten bucks says the Vandereich Quincy high rankers don't lose their powers after Letz Steil.

Even if that's not true, there's a ton of Quincy's around to shoot you through the chest to recover your powers.

[Ghost]

Also the transformation looks fugly. I always though that the one thing we can count on in Bleach are cool designs

Cool designs are just a given if you are a main character or high-ranking villain. If you are a minor character, well...

Maybe Emperor Manlybeard had plans regarding Uryu that were similar to Aizen's plans regarding Ichigo's rise in power.

Or they are related somehow.

Anyway, I like the implication that Uryu is supposed to be crazy powerful, to the point were Commander Nazi-guy didn't think it was possible Ishida could be weaker then him.

[sunofdarkchild]

New chapter is out:

Classic Bleach-style decompression. This is going to take awhile me thinks.

Storywise we're told that Ichigo is just one of five individuals that the Vandenreich have labeled "special weapons". The others are obviously Hantarou, Ururu, Yachiru and Gantenbainne.

I'm a bit surprised that Orihime isn't one as far as we can tell so far. Ishida is almost a given.

On the other hand it could mean people whose bankai they want to steal. So one could be Sasakibe (if so his bankai had better be darn impressive). As for the other bankais the only ones I'd dismiss as possibilities are Ikkaku's and Kommamura's.

[Pong]

Cool designs are just a given if you are a main character or high-ranking villain. If you are a minor character, well...

But that one was intentionally awful. We weren't supposed to take him seriously.

Anyway, I like the implication that Uryu is supposed to be crazy powerful, to the point were Commander Nazi-guy didn't think it was possible Ishida could be weaker then him.

It's bit too late to try and make Uryu into some sort of powerhouse if you ask me.

[Hazard]

On the other hand it could mean people whose bankai they want to steal. So one could be Sasakibe (if so his bankai had better be darn impressive). As for the other bankais the only ones I'd dismiss as possibilities are Ikkaku's and Kommamura's.

If it does mean Bankai they want to seal, then Shunsui would be near the top of that list, because apparently fighting Aizen is no enough reason to bring it out.

You know, part of me dreads that this whole Seal the Bankai thing is just an excuse so that Kubo doesn't have to think new powers.

Now, Random Theory Time:

Ichigo and Ishida are actually cousins.

Ryuken and Isshin are brothers in law. Yes, Ichigo's mom was a Quincy only she lost all her powers for whatever reason.

Now, Ishida's family is actually descends from Quincy Emperor, making them all Super Quincies (that's right, Emperor is the Goku to Yamamoto's Frieza only with the 'You are no longer dealing with the average Quincy' Speech added in), hence the comment about Ishida.

The important part, this makes Ichigo part Quincy.

I am not sure how serious I am being here..

[Ghost]

But that one was intentionally awful. We weren't supposed to take him seriously.

Well...

It's bit too late to try and make Uryu into some sort of powerhouse if you ask me.

Last minute powerups are usually the best powerups.

Now, Random Theory Time:

Ichigo and Ishida are actually cousins.

Ryuken and Isshin are brothers in law. Yes, Ichigo's mom was a Quincy only she lost all her powers for whatever reason.

Now, Ishida's family is actually descends from Quincy Emperor, making them all Super Quincies (that's right, Emperor is the Goku to Yamamoto's Frieza only with the 'You are no longer dealing with the average Quincy' Speech added in), hence the comment about Ishida.

The important part, this makes Ichigo part Quincy.

I am not sure how serious I am being here..

Hell, I theorized Masaki was a former Quincy way back. If only because it would explain the weird "not quite exactly friends" relationship Isshin and Ryuken seem to have.

I wasn't sure how serious I was back then either, though.

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=Hazard;15083267]If it does mean Bankai they want to seal, then Shunsui would be near the top of that list, because apparently fighting Aizen is no enough reason to bring it out.

You know, part of me dreads that this whole Seal the Bankai thing is just an excuse so that Kubo doesn't have to think new powers.

[QUOTE]

I thought it was steal, not seal.

I still think the reason Shunsui doesn't use his bankai is because it would be even more dangerous for him than his shikai games which give his opponents opportunities to inflict massive damage on him. It's not worth the risk.

[Praxis]

[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;15083431][QUOTE=Hazard;15083267]If it does mean Bankai they want to seal, then Shunsui would be near the top of that list, because apparently fighting Aizen is no enough reason to bring it out.

You know, part of me dreads that this whole Seal the Bankai thing is just an excuse so that Kubo doesn't have to think new powers.

I thought it was steal, not seal.

I still think the reason Shunsui doesn't use his bankai is because it would be even more dangerous for him than his shikai games which give his opponents opportunities to inflict massive damage on him. It's not worth the risk.

It could also be highly specialized and only useful is certain instances, or it could have significant drawback for him. There are certainly reasons to not use your bankai besides arrogance, Soi-fon is the obvious example.

Also I will be surpremely happy is Ishida gets some powerups this arc. I have always enjoyed his fights.

Prediction: Ishida and his father are related to Manlybeard and thats why the guy Ichigo is fighting places Ishida above him without really even knowing him. He just assumes anyone of that bloodline is just going to be absurdly powerful.

Wild guess Prediction: Manlybeard recruits Ishida and trains him in super-quincy techniques and tries to turn him to the dark side. We get a see a Ichigo-Ishida rematch before Ishida comes to his sense and joins the good guys again.

[Holy Spirit]

Also the transformation looks fugly. I always though that the one thing we can count on in Bleach are cool designs

I remember when I used to think like that..... then along came Butterflyizen.

[Ghost]

I thought it was steal, not seal.

I thought so as well.

I still think the reason Shunsui doesn't use his bankai is because it would be even more dangerous for him than his shikai games which give his opponents opportunities to inflict massive damage on him. It's not worth the risk.

I believe it was implied he didn't want to use it with a lot of allies nearby.

Since bankai are most commonly just scaled up versions of the shikai, I theorise his bankai is a wide area effect kind of thing that imposes rules on everyone caught within it, forcing anyone in the area to play according to rules only Shunsui knows. That would be troublesome with too many comrades in the area, since shouting out the rules to them would also tip off the enemies.

Wild guess Prediction: Manlybeard recruits Ishida and trains him in super-quincy techniques and tries to turn him to the dark side. We get a see a Ichigo-Ishida rematch before Ishida comes to his sense and joins the good guys again.

I dunno... Ishida doesn't strike me as the type to fall for Dark Side temptations. He pretty much stated that he doesn't care about the Shinigami purging the Quincy, and he doesn't seem especially desperate for power, either. Even back when he was upset about his grandfather's death, he still sided with Ichigo after a single confrontation and after he fought Mayuri the first time, he apparently more or less let go of the whole thing.

He's really not at all the kind of person who'd sell his soul to the devil, hold grudges very long or have sympathies for obvious supervillains, is what I'm saying.

That said, I totally want to see a Rescue Ishida Arc. Because the implications of that would be hilarious.

[The Transient Guest]

Hmm....I remember a long time ago reading about how Ishida during his fight with Mayuri was the strongest protagonist at the time. How thanks to his being in soul society at the time with it's ambient spirit particles he had without a doubt the most reiatsu to throw around.

Now isn't HM supposed to be just as if not more densely packed with spirit energy?

And why is everyone acting like Complete Holy Form makes you lose your Quincy powers forever and ever? We've got straight up proof via Ishida that the powers can be restored. With all this theorizing about Ryuuken being somehow related to Emperor Manlybeard it's not a big leap to theorize that if one knows the restoration trick the other would.

It kinda fits that Herr Quincy would be both willing and inclined to use his best stuff right here. He's just been given orders by the big boss and we've seen how the big boss treats impudent underlings.

......Course it'lll probably be the whole "mastered" form that doesn't make you lose your powers.

[Praxis]

I thought so as well.



I believe it was implied he didn't want to use it with a lot of allies nearby.

Since bankai are most commonly just scaled up versions of the shikai, I theorise his bankai is a wide area effect kind of thing that imposes rules on everyone caught within it, forcing anyone in the area to play according to rules only Shunsui knows. That would be troublesome with too many comrades in the area, since shouting out the rules to them would also tip off the enemies.



I dunno... Ishida doesn't strike me as the type to fall for Dark Side temptations. He pretty much stated that he doesn't care about the Shinigami purging the Quincy, and he doesn't seem especially desperate for power, either. Even back when he was upset about his grandfather's death, he still sided with Ichigo after a single confrontation and after he fought Mayuri the first time, he apparently more or less let go of the whole thing.

He's really not at all the kind of person who'd sell his soul to the devil, hold grudges very long or have sympathies for obvious supervillains, is what I'm saying.

That said, I totally want to see a Rescue Ishida Arc. Because the implications of that would be hilarious.

I agree, very long shot with the guess here. But its also one of the only convenient ways to actually involve him in this arc. He may not hate soul society now, but would he fight with them against these quincies? And he turned down his opportunity to get involved through his friendship with Ichigo. So the easiest way to tie him in is by bringing him in on the side of the bad guys. Now, exactly how that will happen I have no clue. As you say he is not the type. But how would he react if say his dad turned up dead mysteriously and the quincies show up to put the blame on soul society.