Fox Mr. Sinister (holding Rogue's chin): "So beautiful, yet so strong."
Fox Wolverine: "Well, I always did think I was kinda cute. Nice of you to mention it."
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If you look carefully though Rukia did not touch her espada's hierro when she killed him, since she stabbed him in the head.
And Mayuri, between his release and his resurection through Nemu, no longer had a hierro over his chest as well when he was killed.
As for his "trouble" dodging the shikai, as I said, he was caught completely by sursprise at point blank range. That he dodged at all means he could always dodge that shikai. And there is again, not doubt that Gin meant to kill Hinamori with that attack. Could he predict that Matsumoto would make a last second appearence? Only if he's psychic. After that he'd have to kill Hitsugaya for sure or have the rest of the captains going after him for two murders. And saying that Gin would only have meant to kill if he released his bankai does not make any sense. Hitsugaya definately meant to kill and he had yet to consider using bankai. Many other captains fight to kill without bankai all the time, even if their bankai's are 1-hit kills. Why is Gin any different?
Now that I think about it Aizen was not happy about being the one who had to kill Hinamori in the end. He had wanted someone else to do it.
As for the anti-Hitsugaya crowd, check out any Youtube video of him fighting. You'll hear a lot of 'Hitsugaya sucks' 'he's the weakest captain' 'he only wins because of his fangirls' and variations on those themes.
Even thought Gin lied about the speed, it's still ridiculously fast.
Don't get me wrong. I agree that in terms of just power Gin is stronger than Hitsugaya and most other captains. The only captain I think would beat him in a fair fight is Kyoraku. But Gin's major strengths lie in his tendency to sneak attack, which is how he got Hyori, and his ability to get under anyone's skin and sap their fighting spirit. He did it to Rukia just before her execution, he did it to Ichigo. Doing it to Hitsugaya doesn't sap his fighting spirit though. It makes him angry and thereby careless, which is a seperate advantage. Gin doesn't do fair fights.
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And? I mean really, even regular Arrancar showed they can tank sword slashes from Shinigami.Oh, and I meant to mention before, OMAEDA of all people was able to cut off Soi Fon's arm without his shikai. That is a lame lieutenant who could still kill his captain without releasing his Zanpakto if he stabbed her.
If Renji can swing his bankai around why can't a captain do that with an even bigger weapon? We see that shinigami have an absurd amoint of physical strength back during Ichigo's fight with Madarame. The destruction seen in the SS arc is very impressive.
And? I mean really, even regular Arrancar showed they can tank sword slashes from Shinigami.[/QUOTE]
Define tank at this point. I've been under the assumption you meant just take the hit. Now it seems you mean block without a sword. There was an arrancar whose released form was armored skin that could withstand Madarame's slashes for a while, though not forever. That was his special ability.
No one has been shown able to do that while off guard. Not even Kenpachi. Espada 8 was beyond reaction, and Espada 9 had no way of expecting Rukia's sword to reform inside his head after he had killed her.
I think that might be one of the biggest @&*pull victories by a good guy in Bleach.
Ooh. Ranking captains in terms of power. Fun.
I'll do it in a combination of what we've seen and what the narrative has told us.
4. Unohana & Juushiro
6. Byakuya & Tousen
I always read hierro that arrancar just have naturally tough skin. And abilitiy that most shinigami need to focus their reaiatsu to mimic.
That was pretty much my entire point.
Honestly, I'm not so sure. Ishida's arrows at that point appeared to be approaching Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshos in terms of firepower (you know, the ones that kinda blew straight through Senbonzakura) and his hirenkyaku went up to the point where Mayuri couldn't avoid him at all. And the arrows were faster as well. And Ishida can fire entire volleys of arrows at once.And I'd imagine that any captain with a good defense or decent speed would at least be able to hold off Ishida without serious injury in that event. Senbonzakua would almost certainly stop it.
I'm not saying Byakuya couldn't win, but he would definitely have serious trouble.
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"This doesn't look easy. But I bet it is!"
"Optimism through stalwart skepticism is a defect not everyone is lucky enough to be cursed with."
Now he'd have to lose to someone like Chad for me to assume he's at as low a level as Mayuri, but with how little we've seen I wouldn't consider it much of a plot hole if he did. I made an assumption about the Visoreds level of power, that they were even stronger than most of the captains, that proved to not be the case once they fought. Only Shinji proved to be at even the same level.
There are many assumptions we make about people we rarely see in a fight that can serve as a proper gauge.
For those tuning in this was originally a discussion about whether Wonderweiss was as strong as an espada. I said no, because if he was that strong he'd have been made an espada and forced Yammi or the 9th espada into becoming a privaron espada. Havok says yes, because he survived punches from Yammamoto.