Bleach Manga/Anime Discussion Thread II

**Ghost** · 08-26-2011, 02:08 PM

You know, I'm not convinced Ichigo is still in his mortal body. The reiryoku transfer used the same method as the one Rukia used on Ichigo in the first chapter, except more refined and controled what with having a special sword specifically prepped by Urahara.

This transformation was very similar to the first one, and we didn't see Ichigo's body in the original Death and Strawberry either. I for one believe Ichigo stepped out of his body and that it's still there, only out of frame.

Originally Posted by flashdisk

For some reason, I don't think Ginjo stole Ichigo's powers just to strengthen himself. He might have suffered the same fate as Ichigo; losing his Shinigami powers. Otherwise why would he be so reliant on his fullbring. During the previous battles when he didn't know Tsukishima was an ally, why didn't he fight using Shinigami powers?

I don't think he's that different from Ichigo. From the looks of it, Ichigo became desperate to regain his powers in just around a year could he have managed more? I'd imagine, Ginjo suffered the same way but for a way longer time. As much as Ichigo is supposedly a person with moral strength, how long could he have lasted with that pressure.

Ginjo might have even have experienced it worse. Ginjo probably doesn't have friends such as Urahara, Yoruichi or a father like Ishin.

I don't place judgements too quickly on Ginjo, because Soul Society itself didn't seem so morally upright in the beginning either. It did bring about the rise of characters such as Aizen and his group. And we did see early on that they were so desperate to follow their customs that they would have killed Rukia. Ginjo may have served under a very different Soul Society to the one we know of now, before the massive changes occured.

And those changes weren't brought about by Ichigo alone. They were with the assistance of Urahara and Yoruichi. And it alll coincided with the massive upheaval caused by Aizen's betrayal.

If Ginjo betrayed or misused his powers, how would that have encouraged Soul Society to return Ichigo's powers? Wouldn't the fact that Ichigo actually worked with Ginjo for a time, become more of a deterrant? But why did Hitsugaya state that Ginjo is one of the reasons that the captains decided to return Ichigo's powers.

It also seems to me that Ginjo places a lot of importance in his substitue shinigami badge since he uses it as part of his fullbring sword. If he places that much importance to his badge, wouldn't that mean he placed a lot of value in his being a substitue shinigami?

Thing is Hitsugaya specifically says that Ginjo "threw away his position himself, before disappearing."

If he did lose his powers, that kinda suggests it was his own fault.

**Kyle_Ion** · 08-26-2011, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Ghost

You know, I'm not convinced Ichigo is still in his mortal body. The reiryoku transfer used the same method as the one Rukia used on Ichigo in the first chapter, except more refined and controled what with having a special sword specifically prepped by Urahara.

This transformation was very similar to the first one, and we didn't see Ichigo's body in the original Death and Strawberry either. I for one believe Ichigo stepped out of his body and that it's still there, only out of frame.

Thing is Hitsugaya specifically says that Ginjo "threw away his position himself, before disappearing."

If he did lose his powers, that kinda suggests it was his own fault.

Why don't you think that Ichigo isn't in is mortal body? I for one believe that the ichigo we are seeing is in his mortal body and that he is in fact in the mortal world. The problem with that about temporaliy giving powers is that Ichigo drained all of Rukia's powers be it intentional or not. Though what happened in the very beginnning probably doesn't have anything to do with now.

I don't know but for me if I think that if Ichigo isn't in his body during the whole time then it is just lame. Then again this is just what I think.

**Siriel** · 08-26-2011, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ghost

You know, I'm not convinced Ichigo is still in his mortal body. The reiryoku transfer used the same method as the one Rukia used on Ichigo in the first chapter, except more refined and controled what with having a special sword specifically prepped by Urahara.

This transformation was very similar to the first one, and we didn't see Ichigo's body in the original Death and Strawberry either. I for one believe Ichigo stepped out of his body and that it's still there, only out of frame.

Getting stabbed by Tsukishima while no one is looking that way, no doubt.

**Kyle_Ion** · 08-26-2011, 07:48 PM

In all series be that Manga a TV show be it anime or live action I would say that there is always what people would call a canon relationship if it happened. In Bleach I've heard some people say that Rukia and Ichigo would be considered the Canon Relationship or the Ichigo Orihme. I can definitly see Rukia and Ichigo as the favorite/canon relationship if it were to happen, now they may make a good couple but for me I always see either a Ichigo and Yorisca or Ichigo Soifon as a better partnership. I also see Tōshirō Hitsugaya and Rangiku Matsumoto a perfect partnership.

I also know that there are individuals who don't like the idea of two characters getting together. Does anyone like the idea of two characters in a show or any show of getting together? Does anyone have a favorite characters that they would like to see togther? For me it might be pushing it a bit but I read fanfiction on bleach and other shows that I like but I mainly read the romance fanfictions or the tragedy fanfictions.

**Jacksane19** · 08-26-2011, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle_Ion

In all series be that Manga a TV show be it anime or live action I would say that there is always what people would call a canon relationship if it happened. In Bleach I've heard some people say that Rukia and Ichigo would be considered the Canon Relationship or the Ichigo Orihme. I can definitly see Rukia and Ichigo as the favorite/canon relationship if it were to happen, now they may make a good couple but for me I always see either a Ichigo and Yorisca or Ichigo Soifon as a better partnership. I also see Tōshirō Hitsugaya and Rangiku Matsumoto a perfect partnership.

I also know that there are individuals who don't like the idea of two characters getting together. Does anyone like the idea of two characters in a show or any show of getting together? Does anyone have a favorite characters that they would like to see togther? For me it might be pushing it a bit but I read fanfiction on bleach and other shows that I like but I mainly read the romance fanfictions or the tragedy fanfictions.

I've said it before: I just don't see Ichigo as having romantic feelings for any female characters. I think Yoruichi and Urahara make a great couple, but other than that I don't believe any male characters have shown romantic interest in any female characters. Hitsugaya is too uptight to see Rangiku as anything but his lieutenant, same with the other captains. As much as I love Tragedies and Romance stories, I don't think Kubo wants to take his characters in that direction.

**Sound Silence** · 08-26-2011, 08:05 PM

If anything it's going to be Orihime/Ichigo, but I doubt that'll get much play in the course of the story.

If anything, they'll hook up at the very end.

**Kyle_Ion** · 08-26-2011, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sound Silence

If anything it's going to be Orihime/Ichigo, but I doubt that'll get much play in the course of the story.

If anything, they'll hook up at the very end.

To be honest I don't see that at all, he has shown zero interest in her and I'm sad to say that I hate her, her character is super annoying. I'm of the opinion that just because someone doesn't show any interest in a girl or vice versa doesn't mean anything. I'm still of the opinion that either Rukia and Ichigo or Ichigo or yorisca would be a far better partner even better than Ichigo and Orhime.

**Sound Silence** · 08-26-2011, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle_Ion

To be honest I don't see that at all, he has shown zero interest in her and I'm sad to say that I hate her, her character is super annoying. I'm of the opinion that just because someone doesn't show any interest in a girl or vice versa doesn't mean anything. I'm still of the opinion that either Rukia and Ichigo or Ichigo or yorisca would be a far better partner even better than Ichigo and Orhime.

You have to think of this from a meta-standpoint. Orihime explicitly stated she is in love with Ichigo. Ichigo, despite his emotional repression, obviously has a profound protectiveness and affection for her (though, he has this from Ruka, his sisters, and anybody else too, so that in and of itself isn't evidence of feelings).

Kubo isn't a very complex writer. He also isn't too interested in relationships (much like Oda, I presume). But I think he put that in there for a reason.

I see it ending in one of three ways:
1) Ichigo coming around and hooking up with her in some kind of epilogue
2) Ichigo not coming around, not hooking up with anybody, and Orihime having to deal with her unrequited feelings
3) Kubo forgets to resolve this point

**Ragnorok64** · 08-26-2011, 09:02 PM

Where is Tsukishima?

**Ghost** · 08-26-2011, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle_Ion

Why don't you think that Ichigo isn't in is mortal body?

...I just explained that. oO

Oh well, let me rephrase myself: Based on what we have already seen, there is no reason to assume he's still in his mortal body.

I for one believe that the ichigo we are seeing is in his mortal body and that he is in fact in the mortal world.

...Well, of course he's in the mortal world. Where else would he be?

The problem with that about temporaliy giving powers is that Ichigo drained all of Rukia's powers be it intentional or not.

That has nothing to do with wether or not Ichigo is still in his body. ^^;

Though what happened in the very beginnning probably doesn't have anything to do with now.

...Yes it does. It was specifically established as the exact same process when Ichigo asked about the legality.

Plus, you know, both chapters have the same title.

I don't know but for me if I think that if Ichigo isn't in his body during the whole time then it is just lame. Then again this is just what I think.

Yeah, but your feelings on the matter doesn't make it any more likely, see?

Originally Posted by Siriel

Getting stabbed by Tsukishima while no one is looking that way, no doubt.

God, Tsukishima is Gin all over again. -.-

**Ghost** · 08-26-2011, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Ragnorok64

Where is Tsukishima?

Possibilities:

A) He took one look at Isshin, Urahara, the captains, and the revitalized Ichigo, then promptly ran for the hills while everyone was focused on Ginjo.

B) He's still there, watching the scene while eating popcorn and occasionally playing commentor to himself.

C) He got bored and returned to the party, where he proceeded to drink, make clever jokes, hit on Ikumi and listen to everyone talk about how awesome he is.

**1505627** · 08-26-2011, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ghost

C) He got bored and returned to the party, where he proceeded to drink, make clever jokes, hit on Ikumi and listen to everyone talk about how awesome he is.

that and he might return them to normal when he's done. you know, give ichigo less reason to hate the shit out of him

**flashdisk** · 08-26-2011, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ghost

You know, I'm not convinced Ichigo is still in his mortal body. The reiryoku transfer used the same method as the one Rukia used on Ichigo in the first chapter, except more refined and controled what with having a special sword specifically prepped by Urahara.

This transformation was very similar to the first one, and we didn't see Ichigo's body in the original Death and Strawberry either. I for one believe Ichigo stepped out of his body and that it's still there, only out of frame.

Thing is Hitsugaya specifically says that Ginjo "threw away his position himself, before disappearing."

If he did lose his powers, that kinda suggests it was his own fault.

Well, if he started out as a powerful Shinigami then lost his powers. I don't think he would have had any other choice but to abandon being a substitute Shinigami. After all, he'd probably start out as powerless in the beginning.

Even Ichigo didn't have any choice but to stop his Shinigami activities after he lost his powers.

**flashdisk** · 08-26-2011, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sound Silence

flashdisk, right before I read your post I realized Ginjo didn't have shinigami powers.

Didn't he mention someone already went through the same process as Ichigo?

That was him. He tried to get his fullbring to restore his shinigami powers, which is why he has the same type of costume as Ichigo did now.

I have the same thought. Ginjo has been trying to restore his own Shinigami powers all this time.