Avengers Academy: Appreciation & Discussion

[DeadXMan]

Utopia has fallen
Scott is on the run with knowagle his days are Numbered
THIS CALLS FOR A SONG!!

[Starleafgirl]

They didn't "kidnap" them--the X-Men abandoned them when they evacuated, so the Avengers brought them somewhere that isn't a battleground (yet) for their protection until the crisis is resolved.

I hate how the X-Men are being painted to be villains for this event. I mean, abandoned them? Really? Some of the few young mutants left in the world? It'd make more sense if someone just told the Avengers that so that these kids (who see themselves as soldiers) would collect valuable intel behind enemy lines. I mean, the Utopian X-Men have no problem bringing them to the fight, so why abandon them?

The only silver lining is that the X-Men being bad guys in this are being led by Dictator Summers, for whom villainy hasn't seemed terribly out of reach for a while now, and that there are still "good" mutants at the Jean Grey school.

"X-Men. Yeah, you haven't had a hit movie for us in a while? You're the bad guys," is the logic I used to explain this to my dad the other day. FOX owns the movie rights to X-Men, not Marvel. ;P

Anyway, I'm excited to see how things turn out in AA #29, with the Utopian kids coming to AA. Gage has promised "the mutants" of AA will show during this arc, so I'm hoping that means more than just X-23 and Whiz Kid... There are only two more mutants at the academy in total, if I recall correctly, Ricochet and Penance/Hollow, so would it really kill 'em to include them, too? Meh. Even without them, it'll be cool to see mutant kids and AA kids in the same title.

Also, lol at that America vid.

New AA News today!
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Finally, you hinted a little bit about this at the beginning of our talk, but can you offer up any more clues as to where "Avengers Academy" is headed after issue #37, the final issue of "Final Exam?"

Again, I will have to keep mum, but I will go so far as to say that another long-anticipated meeting with another group of teenage characters will follow.

Flag football match between AA and Jean Grey school!

[yanapryde]

I hate how the X-Men are being painted to be villains for this event. I mean, abandoned them? Really? Some of the few young mutants left in the world? It'd make more sense if someone just told the Avengers that so that these kids (who see themselves as soldiers) would collect valuable intel behind enemy lines. I mean, the Utopian X-Men have no problem bringing them to the fight, so why abandon them?

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I feel the wording is...poor.
If the Avengers are, essentially, after Hope....and Hope has fled...and the X-Men have "fled" to retrieve her....is it "abandoning" if you've simply not taken everyone on Utopia with you?
Has Captain America or any other Avenger stated that their other intent is/was to take over Utopia?
Is the fact that many of Utopia's residents didn't join the X-Men in their search for Hope really considered "abandonment" ?

I say no.
However, I suppose we'll have a more definitive answer once we've read issue 3 of AvX and issue 12 of UXM.

[Starleafgirl]

I feel the wording is...poor.
If the Avengers are, essentially, after Hope....and Hope has fled...and the X-Men have "fled" to retrieve her....is it "abandoning" if you've simply not taken everyone on Utopia with you?
Has Captain America or any other Avenger stated that their other intent is/was to take over Utopia?
Is the fact that many of Utopia's residents didn't join the X-Men in their search for Hope really considered "abandonment" ?

I say no.
However, I suppose we'll have a more definitive answer once we've read issue 3 of AvX and issue 12 of UXM.

So they were left behind and then the Avengers took them into custody for their own protection. Hmm.

[Nightwing15]

So they were left behind and then the Avengers took them into custody for their own protection. Hmm.

They were left at their home. What kind of protection the kids need on Utopia? Especially considering that Emma told them to stay out of the fight.

[yanapryde]

So they were left behind and then the Avengers took them into custody for their own protection. Hmm.

"left behind" ??

They were left at their home. What kind of protection the kids need on Utopia? Especially considering that Emma told them to stay out of the fight.

Yes. Its really no different than if the Avengers Mansion was attacked and the Avengers drew away their opponents or something and "left behind" Jarvis and Squirrel Girl w/ Cage and Jones baby.

Its not like they don't have adult supervision, if that's the concern/issue.
Again, its very poor wording on Pietro's part that could well be interpreted as an attempted bargaining chip, by the X-Men. "Taking the children".

There is a lot of room for misinterpretation.....throughout this event.

[Lady_Alternate]

They were left at their home. What kind of protection the kids need on Utopia? Especially considering that Emma told them to stay out of the fight.

Looking at AvX #2 and Vs #1, Utopia is heavily damaged. Going somewhere close by, that's built to cater for powered kids, is sensible during reconstruction. Also, Utopia may end up being a further battleground, I think everyone realises that, and so somewhere relatively local, but out of the fighting is a good choice.

I'm not so sure why people are making such an issue out of "lets get the kids and their adult guardians somewhere close and safe".

[yanapryde]

Looking at AvX #2 and Vs #1, Utopia is heavily damaged. Going somewhere close by, that's built to cater for powered kids, is sensible during reconstruction. Also, Utopia may end up being a further battleground, I think everyone realises that, and so somewhere relatively local, but out of the fighting is a good choice.

I'm not so sure why people are making such an issue out of "lets get the kids and their adult guardians somewhere close and safe".

Its the just the word choice, I believe..
"Abandoned" and/or "left behind" implies insensitive negligence on the X-Men's part. But then again, its Pietro talking. Pffft.

[Lady_Alternate]

Its the just the word choice, I believe..
"Abandoned" and/or "left behind" implies insensitive negligence on the X-Men's part. But then again, its Pietro talking. Pffft.

Yep, Pietro is inflammatory and deliberately provocative, especially if the subject has anything to do with his father. Anyone taking his words as the writer's own view or even an official Avengers standpoint is being a little naive or wilfully ignorant.

[yanapryde]

Yep, Pietro is inflammatory and deliberately provocative, especially if the subject has anything to do with his father. Anyone taking his words as the writer's own view or even an official Avengers standpoint is being a little naive or wilfully ignorant.

Right? Of COURSE, Pietro is going to milk the "abandoned children" card.
We get it Pietro. Daddy wasn't there! Sack up already, you're so friggin creepy with that "My Dad doesn't love me" vibe.

[Lady_Alternate]

Right? Of COURSE, Pietro is going to milk the "abandoned children" card.
We get it Pietro. Daddy wasn't there! Sack up already, you're so friggin creepy with that "My Dad doesn't love me" vibe.

Pietro's theme tune.

[PaxHouse]

New AA News today!
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Finally, you hinted a little bit about this at the beginning of our talk, but can you offer up any more clues as to where "Avengers Academy" is headed after issue #37, the final issue of "Final Exam?"

Again, I will have to keep mum, but I will go so far as to say that another long-anticipated meeting with another group of teenage characters will follow.

Flag football match between AA and Jean Grey school!

Hmmm.....seeing the students @ the JGL would be something to look forward to (especially following whatever the aftermath resulting from AvX will be).

Plus, the Young (and remaining) Avengers & the NYX "Runaways" would also be another group for the AA Students to encounter.

[yanapryde]

Hmmm.....seeing the students @ the JGL would be something to look forward to (especially following whatever the aftermath resulting from AvX will be).

Plus, the Young (and remaining) Avengers & the NYX "Runaways" would also be another group for the AA Students to encounter.

It would be interesting to see the AA cadets interacting with the YA members in a sort of mentor/role model type relationship, for those of them (Repitl) who want to ascend to Avenger status eventually.
And SPEED would be a good example of a "bad boy" who turned it around, thanks for the Avenger influence/encouragment.

[Wren]

Yes. Its really no different than if the Avengers Mansion was attacked and the Avengers drew away their opponents or something and "left behind" Jarvis and Squirrel Girl w/ Cage and Jones baby.

Well, remembering that, Daredevil and the parents actually ran back to get to the kid ASAP even though she has a superpowered guardian and the house has self-defense capabilities. It was a plotpoint that Jessican Jones felt she was abandoning the baby.

Like in that situation, here there were a bunch of underwater fights taking place near the pillar upholding Utopia... and Magneto was tossing towers...

I agree that it's a bit exaggerating to say they were abandoned (they're not helpless)... but it's Pietro. The last time he showed sensitivity was somewhere in the 90s.

And SPEED would be a good example of a "bad boy" who turned it around, thanks for the Avenger influence/encouragment.

I have always thought that Speed would be a good addition to the student body if they broke up the YA. Kate/Patriot as mentor would be great, too.

[Lady_Alternate]

Kate/Patriot as mentor would be great, too.

Ugh, Patriot would be a terrible mentor. I do think that him hanging up his mask and going to make a normal life for himself was the best character development he had.