Controversial Avengers Opinions

[Specimen 297]

Not a bad line up. I did like Gage's take on The Hood. I'd also like to add Grey Gargoyle and Constrictor.

Constrictor was in the mini, he's just not on the cover.

Also, I agree with the Batroc comment... he's a scoundrel, not a villain. I could see him falling in with that Masters of Evil, but his heart wouldn't be in it. He would wind up turning on them or running away at the end.

[strathcona]

Take out Batroc and I'm good with that line up. And the sole reason I saw take out Batroc is because I don't see him doing the things the Masters of Evil do, not because of any dislike of the character.

Yeah, that is my thought upon seeing that line-up too. I love Batroc... but he's not really a MoE type guy.

Are those follow-up HoM minis any good? I know a few were done by Gage, who is great, but they are based on the original HoM mini.... which was bad.

[strathcona]

As usual, Gage did an awsome job with his minis. Civil War, Avengers and Masters of Evil were all great.

I hadn't read this when I posted asking for opinions on the minis... I think you and I have similar enough tastes to say that I would like these then

Other Villains that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Masters of Evil squad are Quicksand, Boomerang, Mongoose, Loadstone and Ion.

Except for not knowing who Lodestone is (I am probably just forgetting) you just mentioned a bunch of third-stringers I love. I would love to see more of them.

[Vic Vega]

Having a mansion that is called Avengers Mansion and everyone knows exactly where it is and that is where they all hang out is kind of not a great idea... at least in some ways, if it were the real world it would be glaringly stupid.
but it does give the comic books an easy way to anyone good or evil in the Marvel Universe to show up.

And yes i know they had some robotic type security for the front yard but it never really seemed like much.

While being in a skyscraper is not a huge drastic improvement it is not as accessible to anyone and the skyscraper wasn't as distinctive looking as the Avengers Mansion.

I really liked the man-made island set up they had.

There was so much story potential in it.

It had a full staff (Pilot, monitor staffer, tech guy, medic and Jarvis) so the Avengers get to have a honest to goodness supporting cast besides Jarvis.

Float it out into international waters and The Avengers get to have thier own territory of sorts and they aren't a constant public hazard like they are whenever they are in N.Y.

[strathcona]

I really liked the man-made island set up they had.

There was so much story potential in it.

It had a full staff (Pilot, monitor staffer, tech guy, medic and Jarvis) so the Avengers get to have a honest to goodness supporting cast besides Jarvis.

Float it out into international waters and The Avengers get to have thier own territory of sorts and they aren't a constant public hazard like they are whenever they are in N.Y.

I agree... I loved Avengers Island, wish it had been around longer.

I also loved the Avengers staff. If the book had continued in the direction Busiek had set up, with a much larger force of Avengers, teams set up to keep watch on potentially volatile areas, and basically being a pro-active strike force, the staff idea would have been great. So many supporting cast members from past books could have been utilized to great advantage with that idea.

[Nomads1]

The reasoning for Hydro-base not working was that it isolated the Avengers from those they were meant to protect. Kinda like setting up a base up on the Moon for the JLA. Personally, I didn't have anything against it, and a loved the support staff set-up. As I've stated before, in my mind, after the many teams nonsense, I imagine the next logical step for the Avengers to be one large unit, capable of spliting into smaller squads, with a support staff helping them out. And since the tower and the mansion are always being destroyed, maybe Hydro-base should be considered again.

Peace

[Monty_Cristo]

Your right but ddin't that offer them some protection too?

definately. it's just that i don't think it's ever been the Avengers m.o. to hide (besides some bad bendis new avengers interpretation). i'm sure you remember people camping outside of the mansion after Disassembled? i'm sure you remember the very public introduction of new Avengers lineups; press and civilians are always invited. they want people to know that they are out there.

[Vic Vega]

The reasoning for Hydro-base not working was that it isolated the Avengers from those they were meant to protect. Kinda like setting up a base up on the Moon for the JLA. Personally, I didn't have anything against it, and a loved the support staff set-up. As I've stated before, in my mind, after the many teams nonsense, I imagine the next logical step for the Avengers to be one large unit, capable of spliting into smaller squads, with a support staff helping them out. And since the tower and the mansion are always being destroyed, maybe Hydro-base should be considered again.

Peace

One wonders why the Avengers never considered a secret base(they have 2 techinally htey just never use 'em). It might be easier on the surrounding populace.

At least with the WCA their headquarters was an estate. If it got trashed there was nobody around to get hit by the crossfire.

[Specimen 297]

Are those follow-up HoM minis any good? I know a few were done by Gage, who is great, but they are based on the original HoM mini.... which was bad.

They are pretty much the saving grace of the event.

[Frank]

Good characters are allowed to make bad choices. It's one of the things that keeps them human.

Or maybe it's that people that watch tv shows are less demanding.

[Frank]

Agree.... Mansion Under Siege was one of the best Avengers stories ever... Bendis hasn't even come close to duplicating that kind of story.

Though I do have to say that incarnation that appeared in GotG during the Infinite War, that lead to Yellowjacket joining the GotG, was a pretty lame incarnation of the team.

I loved Crimson Cowl's 25 member team in T-Bolts... so many good lower tier, rarely seen villains... I wish more writers would use characters like that... but these days it seems to be A-list or nothing.

Crimson Cowl > The Hood

[Frank]

Alright Controversial Av. Opinion time:

-"The Wich Endures" was a great concept.

-I-Man was a character with potential.

-I like John Byrne's work on WCA but making Vision pale and with no personality was dumb.

-Jack Russel should be an Avenger.

-I prefer Black Widow with short hair as an Avengers(long hair in anything else she is in). She comes off more of a veteran and a warrior or someone that means business with short hair.

-Black Knight has a cool outfit but as a character he is a hollow shell.

[Vic Vega]

Wow, two posts till the 2000 mark (well, one now). Sure not gonna let this thread die now (enjoy it too much to do so). So, let's go with a controversial opinion relating to the last few days topics:

The Masters of Evil (any incarnation) are a much better concept (and way cooler) than the Revengers or the Dark Avengers, and I miss them.

Peace

Was never a fan of the name. Way too comic booky for me.

Liked the Lethal Legion much better as a name and concept.

I will say this about the Masters: If Zemo is leading them they become way more interesting to me.

Especally if he gets an entire team that more or less shared his world view. Sort of like the Authority but more amoral.

Zemo, Noh-Varr Dreadknight and Exterminatrix would have made a cool core group.

[Nomads1]

Was never a fan of the name. Way too comic booky for me.
Liked the Lethal Legion much better as a name and concept.

I will say this about the Masters: If Zemo is leading them they become way more interesting to me.

Especally if he gets an entire team that more or less shared his world view. Sort of like the Authority but more amoral.

Zemo, Noh-Varr Dreadknight and Exterminatrix would have made a cool core group.

But Revengers and Dark Avengers is "sooo" much better.

I will agree with you that Lethal Legion is the cooler name. Always thought so.

Peace

[Vic Vega]

But Revengers and Dark Avengers is "sooo" much better.

I will agree with you that Lethal Legion is the cooler name. Always thought so.

Peace

I dont like those names either. Did the Dark Avengers ever really call themselves that in story?

Revengers is just Bendis playing a joke.

That was the always the name for the Avengers in those 60's Not Brand Echh parodies Marvel used to do.