Controversial Avengers Opinions

**pryde15** · 05-31-2010, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Alan2099

I'm not going to get on you about Hank. I think we've gone over that far too may times. I just find it hilarious that you say Hank should be kicked out because he hit a teamamte right after you say that another guy that's repeatedly tried gutting teamates deserves a spot.

Different context, but nonetheless I would be very disappointed if Pym never served on the Avengers again.

**Yossarian** · 05-31-2010, 07:14 AM

- Spider-Man is a great Avenger

- Luke Cage is a fantastic member of the team and is as essential to the modern era as Cap.

- Ronin was not mischaracterisation

- The Hood was a thematically strong and effective foil for the New Avengers

- There's no such thing as 'classic Avengers'

**Gryphon** · 05-31-2010, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by gryhpon

i should specify

i meant cap and his fight in civil war embodied the fight for gun owner rights whihc is a right wing view.

the SHRA was a gun control and the supes were gun owners

does anyone else agree with this?

**Yossarian** · 05-31-2010, 07:40 AM

I do. Far as I'm concerned 'anti registration' is a completely baseless argument with absolutely no merit.

But then, as a European I'm not part of a culture that's enshrined gun ownership. I've always wondered if pro/anti audience reactions could be mapped out like that..

**Vivica Kang** · 05-31-2010, 07:44 AM

-Luke Cage is taking the MU by storm.

-The Big 3 are overrated. (I love Iron Man and Cap...But gimme a break!)

-All the New, Young, and Mighty Avengers teams didn't get to attack The Void on the last issue of Siege. Which was a big FAIL!

-Hawkeye and Mockingbird are getting too much attention!

-Bendis needs to hurry and write Ms. Marvel and Spider-man's realtionship!

-Loki as Scarlet Witch was the best idea ever during Dark Reign!

-The Avengers need more MU characters (Tired of seeing the regulars.)

-The Avengers need more Blacks.

-Falcon is just a joke character.

-Civil War was too damn complicated (that's why i dropped it during that crossover)

-Spider-man/Wolverine needs to choose a team or sit down somewhere!

-Spider-Woman finally got to redeem herself during Dark Reign/Siege.

-Scarlet Witch/She-Hulk is best female Avengers during the 90's!

-The Hood storyline went on too long!

-The first Avengers are titled "Old School"

-Bucky was the best idea for being Cap after Steve died.

-Red Hulk should have joined the ranks of Avengers.

-Lack of females on each team! (this is current)

**Gryphon** · 05-31-2010, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Yossarian

I do. Far as I'm concerned 'anti registration' is a completely baseless argument with absolutely no merit.

But then, as a European I'm not part of a culture that's enshrined gun ownership. I've always wondered if pro/anti audience reactions could be mapped out like that..

I am pro gun ownership and I saw cap's fight as a fight for individual rights like the right to bear arms

**Blind pugh** · 05-31-2010, 08:23 AM

I have no problem with Wolverine being an Avenger (just pick one team to be on though).

I love the Thing as an Avenger but not on the same team as Luke.

If you're going to blame Pym for his actions you also have to blame Spider-man, Wolverine & anyone who's ever been mind controlled for theirs.

One of the current teams should move to the west coast. I have no preference as to which & don't view it as a demotion.

I liked Dr. Druid.

I have no problem with Wonder man turning bad.

**Captain Clarkie** · 05-31-2010, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by No Spring Chicken

Jarvis is born and raised in New York City...

Ahh, I didn't know that, got confused by him being a fighter pilot in the Battle of Britain, where I've now found out he fought as part of the Canadian Air Force

Guess his speech mannerisms had me fooled.

**Gryphon** · 05-31-2010, 09:24 AM

hank pym has been ruined by writers numerous attemtps to "rebuild him" ( i started a thread about which was the best one a while back)

he didnt need redemption. hewas fine after the wca story where he became dr pym

**ImmortalIronFist** · 05-31-2010, 09:54 AM

I think the teams are fine like they are, they could use one or two more females, but in terms of international representation, I think it's perfectly fine. It's one thing for heroes based in New York to be on multiple teams, but most heroes from other countries are already on teams (MI:13, Omega Flight, Winter Guard, Big Hero 6, etc.) and it would be even more ridiculous for them to be on two teams in two countries. Plus most heroes are American in general, so proportionally, it works.

**Ryan W** · 05-31-2010, 09:59 AM

-Wolverine as an Avenger is underwhelming.

-New Avengers was only good 50% of the time.

-Mighty Avengers reboot was a rad book.

-Jessica Drew as an Avenger is bleh.

-I liked Deathcry.

**Avenger08** · 05-31-2010, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Alan2099

I'm not going to get on you about Hank. I think we've gone over that far too may times. I just find it hilarious that you say Hank should be kicked out because he hit a teamamte right after you say that another guy that's repeatedly tried gutting teamates deserves a spot.

I dont think he should be kicked out. I said he should have never been accepted back in.

And if ya think about it.... if Wolverine had actually gutted Spider-Woman when he joined the team... Secret Invasion would've been over with a LONG time ago.
But he does not continually try to gut his teammates. How many times has he legitimately tried to?
And its not that hank hit a teammate. its that he hit his wife. theres a difference

**Kid Kamikaze10** · 05-31-2010, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Avenger08

I dont think he should be kicked out. I said he should have never been accepted back in.

And if ya think about it.... if Wolverine had actually gutted Spider-Woman when he joined the team... Secret Invasion would've been over with a LONG time ago.
But he does not continually try to gut his teammates. How many times has he legitimately tried to?
And its not that hank hit a teammate. its that he hit his wife. theres a difference

Spider-Man hit his pregnant wife under similar circumstances, and you have no problem with him being an Avenger.