Action # 889

[Mat001]

Again, how is this the worst art ever? What is so bad about it? You want to see bad art, check out Batman #484 and 485. That's bad art.

[edhopper]

Again, how is this the worst art ever? What is so bad about it? You want to see bad art, check out Batman #484 and 485. That's bad art.

I mean worst ever for Action, not all of DC. This is mainly in reference to Perez, who IMHO does not have the skill or talent to draw a mainstream comic.
As for those Batmans, I think Grindberg is a fine artist. Enjoyed hi Warlock tremendously.
Now you might not care for his style, but he has drawing ability and a sense of how to tell a story, both of which Perez is sadly lacking.

[Kent H]

Why would I complain about anemic characters and the worst art in 70 years of publication?

Oh, and why would I also complain about Superman not being in the Superman Comics? (Replaced by said anemic characters, who just bored me)

Why oh why?

Considering that there were no anemic characters, only awesome ones, the art was great, and Action Comics has always been a series meant for the entire Superman family and not just Superman, I have no clue why you would complain.

[edhopper]

Considering that there were no anemic characters, only awesome ones, the art was great, and Action Comics has always been a series meant for the entire Superman family and not just Superman, I have no clue why you would complain.

Yeah, great art and awesome characters, sure. That's why the sales were so high for a flagship book.

[Kent H]

Yeah, great art and awesome characters, sure. That's why the sales were so high for a flagship book.

If sales determined quality, everyone's favorite whipping boy Jeph Loeb wouldn't sell a thing, and everyone's favorite low selling title would be selling millions.

[edhopper]

If sales determined quality, everyone's favorite whipping boy Jeph Loeb wouldn't sell a thing, and everyone's favorite low selling title would be selling millions.

But when a tile's sales goes from 55,000 to around 30,000 I'd say there is something wrong..

I'm glad you think the art is great. You are entitled to your taste. I can only compare it to the comics I have read for the last 45 years and my 30 years as an artist. To me it is terribly sub par.

[Mat001]

I mean worst ever for Action, not all of DC. This is mainly in reference to Perez, who IMHO does not have the skill or talent to draw a mainstream comic.

What's so bad? Give me something.

As for those Batmans, I think Grindberg is a fine artist. Enjoyed hi Warlock tremendously.

Grindberg's two issues were the most repulsive pieces of trash I've seen. A lot of people complained in the letters column about it. He may have done better in other books, but for those two issues, it was dog crap.

But when a tile's sales goes from 55,000 to around 30,000 I'd say there is something wrong..

Yeah, because Superman's not in it and the sense of excitement that the Nightwing and Flamebird story built in it's initially arc was lost. The chief complaints. Not as many people bitched about the art as the pacing and lack of lead character.

[edhopper]

What's so bad? Give me something.



Grindberg's two issues were the most repulsive pieces of trash I've seen. A lot of people complained in the letters column about it. He may have done better in other books, but for those two issues, it was dog crap.




Yeah, because Superman's not in it and the sense of excitement that the Nightwing and Flamebird story built in it's initially arc was lost. The chief complaints. Not as many people bitched about the art as the pacing and lack of lead character.

Bad anatomy, lack of story telling, poor drawing skills in general.

And there were PLENTY who complained about the art.
But hey, you can like what you like. I have neither the time nor inclination to go page by page and show how truly awful it was to someone who obviously had no problem with it.
I'll save the art lesson to my students.

You liked it when so many other (I'd say the majority) of Superman readers did not. Good for you.

[WorstThingUS]

But when a tile's sales goes from 55,000 to around 30,000 I'd say there is something wrong..

I'm glad you think the art is great. You are entitled to your taste. I can only compare it to the comics I have read for the last 45 years and my 30 years as an artist. To me it is terribly sub par.

I think what we're seeing here is what I call the "Spider-man Syndrome" based on Kyle Baker's assignment to Web Of Spider-Man when he was first starting out because the view was that Spider-Man is going to sell a certain amount no matter how bad the art is, so it was a chance for him to cut his teeth. Similarly, they feel that Superman is going to see a certain amount no matter what, hence the sub-par art stretched across so many of the books. Action Comics is 72 years old and they clearly feel these cavewall etchings aren't going to kill it now. Sad, really.

[edhopper]

I think what we're seeing here is what I call the "Spider-man Syndrome" based on Kyle Baker's assignment to Web Of Spider-Man when he was first starting out because the view was that Spider-Man is going to sell a certain amount no matter how bad the art is, so it was a chance for him to cut his teeth. Similarly, they feel that Superman is going to see a certain amount no matter what, hence the sub-par art stretched across so many of the books. Action Comics is 72 years old and they clearly feel these cavewall etchings aren't going to kill it now. Sad, really.

You may be right. But with almost a 50% drop in sales, they came close.
And if you are right, it shows tremendous disrespect for the readers.

[Mat001]

Bad anatomy, lack of story telling, poor drawing skills in general.

What's poor? Post pics. There's plenty to be found. I cannot take it seriously unless I see examples.

[edhopper]

What's poor? Post pics. There's plenty to be found. I cannot take it seriously unless I see examples.

We've both read the books. We looked at the same art. I found it weak and un-professional, you thought it was awesome. Our taste obviously differ. As I said, I have neither the time nor inclination to have an art lesson here.
I am not trying to prove anything or convince you that lousy art is lousy art.
I am merely stating my opinion of the recent artists in Action, specifically Perez.

[Mat001]

If you have time to post on a message board, then you have the time to point it out in detail.

[edhopper]

If you have time to post on a message board, then you have the time to point it out in detail.

Do you realize the illogic of that statement?
This is taking me less than a minute, To do as you ask would take a lot of work, time and effort.
Why don't you post a page by Perez and explain why it isn't crap.

[DragoLord09]

All I can say is that this does explain how Mordru gains control over Sorcerer's World (and rules it for about the next 1000 years or so).